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In your mind, did Kirk do Rand?

Phoenicianknight

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I know during the first season, there were moments of flirting, and shie did not return 2nd season.

I do not believe her absense was ever addressed on screen. (If it was I missed it) I do remember reading in one of the hundred or so books I have that she had to leave for personal reasons (an unexpected pregnantcy?).

So did Captain Kirk have an affair with Yeoman Rand.

On a side note, since Chekov and Rand where on the ship at different times, did they ever meet on screen in one of the movies or t.v. flash backs?
 
I don't think so. As randy as Kirk was, he was a professional through and through. She was his Yeoman.
I don't think he'd be capable of "taking advantage" in that way. And I'm sure he'd see it that way no matter how much time had passed or how the circumstances changed over the years.
 
No. In spite of the evil Kirk attempting to rape her in "Enemy Within" and Kirk pining for her in "Naked Time," I think he was "married" to his ship and what was best for it...being a respectable Captain in front of the eyes of his crew. I always believed in my mind that "Miri" was the last Rand episode where she realizes that Kirk's not going to get involved with her and she probably puts in for a transfer and move on with her life.
 
Well sure...she had those icky blue sores on her legs that she was always trying to get him to "notice" before. ;)

-Rabittooth
 
Defintiely not.

I don't think that Kirk (unlike Picard et al) would ever compromise his own authority as aptain with his crew.
 
On a side note, since Chekov and Rand where on the ship at different times, did they ever meet on screen in one of the movies or t.v. flash backs?


She had a small cameo role in some of the movies, though I doubt she appeared in the same scenes with Checkov. I think the few shots of her were in Spacedock.

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>Oh, sure, but he had no problem nailing Helen Noel at the Christmas party!

That was just Helen's fantasy, which she implanted in his mind with Dr. Adam's mind control device.
 
Kirk definitely did not have an affair with Rand or with any woman under his command. Kirk's womanizing is greatly exaggerated. If you look at the actual record, you see various common themes:

Women who attempt to seduce Kirk, often employing mood-altering methods to induce romantic interest, but still failing to overcome his professionalism (Eve McHuron, Helen Noel, Nona, Elaan).

Women whom Kirk coldly seduces/manipulates as a tactic in the course of doing his job (Lenore Karidian, Andrea, Sylvia, Shahna).

Women Kirk has genuine, deep feelings for but either lost or had to leave in the pursuit of his duty (Ruth, Areel Shaw, Edith Keeler, Miramanee).

This changed somewhat in later seasons, as Kirk was pushed more into the mode of the conventional '60s action hero and given more and shallower entanglements (his liaison with Drusilla the slave girl being the most egregious and out-of-character example). But for the most part, his relationships with women were not what you would see in a womanizer.

There is no way in hell that he had an affair with Rand. He wouldn't even look at her legs until she pathetically begged him to. She practically threw herself at him and got nowhere. His dark, uninhibited half in "The Enemy Within" found her desirable and assaulted her, but the intact James Kirk was a professional, a military man, and he never would've allowed himself to get sexually involved with someone under his direct command.

And Todd is right -- Kirk did not "nail" Helen Noel. They flirted a bit at the party, but nothing else happened, and Kirk was embarrassed to be reminded of the flirtation afterward. It was Helen who implanted the fantasy that they had had a romantic encounter -- which, if you ask me, was a gross breach of her professional ethics, imposing her own sexual fantasies on a patient who was under her care and in a highly suggestible state. It was then Dr. Adams who implanted the idea that Kirk loved Helen -- but in spite of that suggestion, Kirk was rather easily able to overcome his desire for her, resume his professional attitude, and rather coldly send her into a highly dangerous maintenance shaft. If Kirk could so easily shunt aside a conditioned feeling of deep, devoted love in favor of being a hardass commander, then it should be obvious that he would never let his libido overcome his professionalism toward his female crewmates under any circumstances.
 
I never realized the flashback scene with Helen Noel wasn't real...I guess I wasn't watching closely enough.
 
Helen's lines to Kirk just before the flashback:

"At the Christmas party... we met. We danced. You talked about the stars. I suggest now that it happened in a different way. You swept me off my feet and carried me to your cabin...."

That should've made it pretty clear, but to be honest, I wasn't too sure about that myself for a number of years. I think a lot of people have assumed it was real, and that's contributed to the myth of Kirk as a womanizer.
 
I think it did happen, but based on The Captain's Daughter (where Rand talks to Sulu about her dead daughter, and her daughter's father), and not on anything in the series proper.
 
I think it did happen, but based on The Captain's Daughter (where Rand talks to Sulu about her dead daughter, and her daughter's father), and not on anything in the series proper.

Yeah, that book said an Enterprise officer was the father, strongly implying it was Kirk -- which is why in Ex Machina I made a point of establishing that the officer in question was actually someone else, someone Rand had an affair with after realizing that Kirk would never return her affections. Because I'm sorry, but Jim Kirk just wouldn't have done that. He was too much of a military man, too bound by his duty. The only way it could possibly have happened was if he'd been subjected to some kind of consciousness-altering effect. Because those are the only times he ever got romantic with women directly under his command: when he just plain wasn't himself. When he was split into good and evil halves, or when he was brainwashed into it, or when he was being telekinetically forced into it. (Okay, there was Marlena, but technically Mirror-Marlena wasn't under his command, and we never saw him do more than vaguely flirt with the other Marlena.)
 
I never realized the flashback scene with Helen Noel wasn't real...I guess I wasn't watching closely enough.

Not to rub it in, but that was the point.
Wow... a thirty-something year old virgin running a starship with 430 crew members and many, many sexy aliens. Yep, it must be sci-fi!
I say he nailed Rand, finally and that is why she is transferred to another command. Kirk couldn't have his career ruined by a Tail-hook type of scandal. :vulcan: Besides, we all know he was secretly in love with Spock. :vulcan:
 
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