In the Pale Moonlight turns 25

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Deep Space Nine' started by DS9forever, Apr 19, 2023.

  1. Farscape One

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    It wasn't removed because it couldn't be removed. It was just turned off.
     
  2. kkt

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    You're right. I misremembered how early it was.
     
  3. Legate Duhmar

    Legate Duhmar Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Absolutely agreed, Pale Moonlight is also one of the best episodes in all of Star Trek, I would put it up against the best any other show has to offer. What single Trek episode even comes close? City on the Edge of Forever? Yesterdays Enterprise?
     
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  4. Quantum21

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    In most other series that have dark moments of heroes acting for the better good, this story would probably not make a blip. In Trek it did make a blip, but does that make it great?

    I will say it is a very good episode but not one of the best of the franchise.
     
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  5. PlainSimpleJoel

    PlainSimpleJoel Fleet Admiral Premium Member

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    Great episode. Seen it many times now (just finished watching again). Probably the finest DS9 episode.
     
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  6. fireproof78

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    For me, what makes the episode great is the way the war ended. Similar to how ROTJ makes Empire Strikes Back a much richer film because we have the follow up information, so the end of the war shows how Sisko could not live with it. He holds up a drink, but by the end of the war he is pouring the drink out, disgusted by what the war, and his choices, have wrought.
     
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  7. Farscape One

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    That's a good observation. It also explains why Ross did the same thing in the finale, likely because of his involvement in "INTER ARMA ENIM SILENT LEGES". Who knows what else he had to do to help achieve victory?

    I used to always think Sisko pouring out the drink as a statement that he had his fill of death and didn't feel like celebrating, unlike Martok. And I can understand why Martok would want to drink on Cardassia... his culture, upbringing, and the fact it was a hard fight throughout the war. I can't fault that, honestly.
     
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  8. fireproof78

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    Indeed and neither view is wrong. Thus speaks to DS9'S great strength of showing multiple points of view that are entirely valid. Martok espouses the view that the victory reflects upon their efforts. Sisko and Ross can only see the compromise and loss.

    It's thematic storytelling all done through visual cues. I love it.
     
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  9. StarMan

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    If I had to pick a point where the franchise peaked, it's this episode.