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In Star Trek Generations How Does Kirk Sell His House

tim0122

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Okay, a nit-picky thought popped into my head the other day. In Star Trek Generations, when Picard and Kirk are in the Nexus version of Kirk's old house, Kirk says he sold his house years ago. My question is, in a future where there is no money (at least not in the Federation) how does someone go about selling a house? If there's no money, anyone kind theoretically walk up to Kirk and say, I want your house, right? Does someone just give the house to the first person who asks about it? Does he pick his favorite possible buyer? Again, this is a pretty pointless line of thought in the great scheme of things, but it's been bugging me lately.
 
Perhaps, there's some form of a "lottery" where people "bid" for an item over the computer, or whathaveyou. That's the only way I can see it truly working out, without money changing hands.
 
My question is, in a future where there is no money (at least not in the Federation) how does someone go about selling a house?
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I'm not sure about the economics of the exchange but I don't think the line itself suggests he sold it for money. In DS9 Jake tells Nog that he sold his first book. Nog says something like "how much did you get?" and Jake says with chagrin "it's just an expression."

Which would suggest "sold" is used as an archaic word for them. Don't know how that helps, but just thought I'd add that :-)
 
My question is, in a future where there is no money (at least not in the Federation) how does someone go about selling a house?

Same way Cyrano Jones sold his Tribbles. TOS never claimed they didn't have a medium of exchange; in fact they were explicitly Federation credits. They may not be exactly the same as what we identify as "money" today, but they fill the same role.

As Greg Cox mentioned, the "no money" thing was more in TNG onwards.

(Aside from one throwaway gag in the whale movie.)

And the STIV references can easily be taken to mean they don't have physical currency. As long as credits are an electronic exchange medium, it still fits... they still wouldn't know what "exact change only" refers to, and they don't have physical "money", so Kirk has no way of paying for the pizza.
 
Locutus of Bored's tounge in cheek response is probably close to the mark. Kirk literally put it up for sale (don't need it/bad memories) using some listing service. A buyer made a winning offer (yes money) and ownership of the property was legally transferred.
 
Same way Cyrano Jones sold his Tribbles. TOS never claimed they didn't have a medium of exchange; in fact they were explicitly Federation credits. They may not be exactly the same as what we identify as "money" today, but they fill the same role.

As Greg Cox mentioned, the "no money" thing was more in TNG onwards.

And the STIV references can easily be taken to mean they don't have physical currency. As long as credits are an electronic exchange medium, it still fits... they still wouldn't know what "exact change only" refers to, and they don't have physical "money", so Kirk has no way of paying for the pizza.
This. Exactly. The TOS era definitely had some form of currency. Besides these references, there's also Harry Mudd selling things in various schemes and Kirk telling Scotty that he'd earned his pay for the week (blanking on the episode now... "The Apple"? Somewhere in the second season, I know...)
 
^ There are a couple times where Kirk used the "You've earned your paycheck this week" line. And once where he talks about the money that has been invested in training up one of the crew, I think maybe Chekov?

Although Gene talked extensively about a no-money society, these ideas didn't really permeate Star Trek too strongly until TNG. There's ample evidence to suggest a currency based economy still thrives in Kirk's time, though also that 23rd century humans may not always thirst after money the way that their 20th century forebears do, but in realistic terms going out to explore a galaxy where many planets still operate on economies, then humans would almost by necessity need to have some form of collateral on the galactic stock exchange, even if they do not use such things on Earth itself, otherwise we'd find ourselves at a disadvantage at certain times. Not all galactic empires are going to be willing to just trade in shiny Pobblebeads that have been freshly minted out of a Starfleet replicator or whatever-have-you. ;)

But yeah, I'd err on the side that says, when Kirk talks about selling the cabin, he's being very literal about selling the cabin. And he isn't to know that by Picard doesn't do that sort of thing. Of course, "Encounter At Farpoint" suggests that even the 1701-D crew have got 'accounts' to which they can charge goods, so some kind of monetary system evidently exists even in Picard's time.

(Although it does raise an interesting side question about Real Estate in the 24th century: who owns all of the buildings we see whenever we go to Earth? Are they owned by the government and, effectively, therefore a mass form of "public housing"? Surely in a world where money does not exist then people would not be able to have 'ownership' over something like land or property? Does Joe Sisko own his own creole kitchen, or does he simply occupy it?)
 
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It seems relevant to add, about the economics of real estate and "ownership", that Picard's brother lives on their family's farm and vinyard where they grew up (I think I'm correct about that). Which means the land was inherited through familial ownership. Not assigned by career or raffled by chance.
 
It would help if we knew the population of Earth, I guess. From ST:FC, we learn that nine billion is not it, as the figure surprises Data. If it's nine million instead, then everybody can have whatever piece of land they wish (and if everybody wants a prime spot atop Telegraph Hill, there's plenty of West Coast for them to transform into their private Telegraph Hills if it comes to that). If it's ninety billion instead, then everybody must live in those ST09 style arcologies and only work in the old towns...

But yeah, the UFP in TOS haz money. TNG, only when dealing with alien riffraff. Probably due to the introduction of replicators. And in ST4:TVH, the UFP has money - but Kirk's broke.

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I'm not sure about the economics of the exchange but I don't think the line itself suggests he sold it for money. In DS9 Jake tells Nog that he sold his first book. Nog says something like "how much did you get?" and Jake says with chagrin "it's just an expression."

Which would suggest "sold" is used as an archaic word for them. Don't know how that helps, but just thought I'd add that :-)
That's how I like to think of it as well.
 
In First Contact, Picard says that the pursuit of wealth is no longer the driving force of life. That doesn't rule out the existence of money, but rather that it isn't of importance to people anymore.
Well that line doesn't, but the one immediately before it, "Money doesn't exist in the 24th Century" kind of does ;)
 
Maybe they operate a 'swapsies' system where if you have a property of a certain materialistic value you find one similar but close to what you want next, bigger or smaller. Maybe go from five bedrooms to four or six but not, say two.

Or maybe, Kirk being Kirk, he thought 'stuff your modern rules of commerce in society, gimme Latinum!' and made a tidy (100%) profit on the transaction. Laughing all the way to the, er, well just laughing then.
 
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