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In praise of TNG’s vision of the future

JohanKoch

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The Next Generation is certainly a popular Trek series, but there are some aspects of it that get a lot of flak from fans. A big one is the lack of inter-personal conflict amongst the crew. Another is the more laid back style, symbolized by Picard the talker instead of Kirk the fighter. Despite TNG’s success, virtually every series that followed seemed to be trying to return to the spirit of TOS, to the adventure, the wild frontier, the great unknown.

But I think that TNG does not always get the respect it deserves for trying to show a different vision of the Trek universe. Roddenberry could have easily made a show that was the mirror image of the original Trek. Instead, he gave us a significantly changed vision of the universe. This was an Enterprise with children on board, with a Captain more diplomat than adventure-seeker, with a counselor standing around on the bridge. The design of the ship, the props, the furniture, even the lighting all signaled the move from a militaristic to a more humanistic and scientific Starfleet. Even the Klingons had been de-fanged.

Certainly, there were some things in TNG that limited the kinds of stories they could tell, and in retrospect were probably mistakes. The goody-goody crew, who never disagreed with each other, was definitely one of those mistakes.

But I really like the fact that TNG tried to show the evolution of the Federation, a more high-tech Starfleet and a more civilized galaxy. And if there is ever another Trek series, it might be kind of nice if they explored that version of Trek’s history again – an optimistic, high-tech, post-scarcity, almost transhumanist Starfleet exploring the galaxy. You could do it in a mature way, explore the serious issues that would evolve in that kind of high-tech society, and how they deal with problems both internal and external. And yes, you could still have the occasional fist fight and phaser battle. :)

Instead, every Trek series and movie has been moving away from that vision of the future. Heck, even TNG was “un-Next-Generationed” by the end of their movie series. It’s like people think there is only one way to tell a Star Trek story.

None of the above is to say that TNG was automatically better than the other versions of Trek. In fact, some days I find myself liking DS9 more, and that was a series expressly made to counter some of the decisions made on The Next Generation. But one day I would like to see the optimistic future of TNG explored once again, and sometimes I think Roddenberry deserves more respect for showing us that other path.
 
Well, I agree. What got me hooked was the fact, that this show does not only show a different look of things in the future but actually a different culture from ours today. Most of the other fiction shows (and also the Trek spin offs like DS9) mostly show "more of the same" - todays culture in a futuristic setting.
 
I agree that the vision has some appeal, but what it lacks is long-term appeal. To me the strength of any tv show that stands the test of time is always the character's. TOS didn't stand the test of time because it had solid stories and a somewhat serious aproach to sci-fi(at least for that era.) It was and always will Kirk,Spock and McCoy that gives that show it's appeal. The positive vision of the future had of way of making the characters seem bland and since they couldn't get into really intresting conflict they didn't have a bond between them that Kirk/Spock/Bones did. This hurts the show's appeal in the long run.

Jason
 
The Next Generation is certainly a popular Trek series, but there are some aspects of it that get a lot of flak from fans. A big one is the lack of inter-personal conflict amongst the crew. Another is the more laid back style, symbolized by Picard the talker instead of Kirk the fighter. Despite TNG’s success, virtually every series that followed seemed to be trying to return to the spirit of TOS, to the adventure, the wild frontier, the great unknown.

But I think that TNG does not always get the respect it deserves for trying to show a different vision of the Trek universe. Roddenberry could have easily made a show that was the mirror image of the original Trek. Instead, he gave us a significantly changed vision of the universe. This was an Enterprise with children on board, with a Captain more diplomat than adventure-seeker, with a counselor standing around on the bridge. The design of the ship, the props, the furniture, even the lighting all signaled the move from a militaristic to a more humanistic and scientific Starfleet. Even the Klingons had been de-fanged.

Certainly, there were some things in TNG that limited the kinds of stories they could tell, and in retrospect were probably mistakes. The goody-goody crew, who never disagreed with each other, was definitely one of those mistakes.

But I really like the fact that TNG tried to show the evolution of the Federation, a more high-tech Starfleet and a more civilized galaxy. And if there is ever another Trek series, it might be kind of nice if they explored that version of Trek’s history again – an optimistic, high-tech, post-scarcity, almost transhumanist Starfleet exploring the galaxy. You could do it in a mature way, explore the serious issues that would evolve in that kind of high-tech society, and how they deal with problems both internal and external. And yes, you could still have the occasional fist fight and phaser battle. :)

Instead, every Trek series and movie has been moving away from that vision of the future. Heck, even TNG was “un-Next-Generationed” by the end of their movie series. It’s like people think there is only one way to tell a Star Trek story.

None of the above is to say that TNG was automatically better than the other versions of Trek. In fact, some days I find myself liking DS9 more, and that was a series expressly made to counter some of the decisions made on The Next Generation. But one day I would like to see the optimistic future of TNG explored once again, and sometimes I think Roddenberry deserves more respect for showing us that other path.

But it was just dull TV. I love The Next Generation, but so much of it puts me to sleep now. Very little in the way of true drama happened on TNG. Which is a shame because I thought they had some great characters (and very good actors) and interesting ideas. Just once I wish Riker or Data would've knocked Picard across a table ala The Naked Time. Or seen a Captain and XO split on a course of action ala Arena. Or seen them discussing a course of action that would've changed the very course of the galaxy they live in ala Balance of Terror. It just all came across as very dry.

I don't think it'll stand the test of time like TOS did.
 
I think that it is an error to say that TNG will have no staying power, because some of the things for which it is currently derided, such as serialization, main character conflict, and grit and realism are not really eternal laws of fiction but contemporary taste. (Yes, really, much fiction has been written without these things throughout history.) And contemporary taste will someday change, and probably, at some point will be more forgiving of TNG than (let's be honest here about what people in this thread prefer) DS9/BSG. These things are by and large cyclical, not progressive.
 
As much as I do enjoy and appreciate DS9 and VOY's main casts, I still can't help but feel that at times they are a little... silly. Neelix, Quark etc. Such blatant comic relief didn't really exist in TNG. Data wasn't a drum roll every time he spoke.

When I watch TNG it doesn't bother me that the crew gets along. There were enough conflicts that didn't last beyond the length of the episode. I can't imagine why this would be considered a weakness.
 
Re: In praise of TNG’s vision of the future

TNG was a product of it's time, and rather painfully so. It also suffered from the the insufferable smugness of the Federation throughout TNG and an exceptional arrogance (Q pegged that in 1 in Q Who?).

I used to like it but now I find the characters rather grating and Self-absorbed.

and sadly it was a show of so many missed opportunies
 
I think that it did have conflict. It was just brought in through other characters while in ds9 it was in the main cast. An example of this is The Best of Both Worlds.
 
Since TNG is still ripped off by any other modern scifi show, TNG is still the king.

Which is flawed reasoning since TNG is a direct spin-off from a little sixties series called Star Trek. Taking pretty much its' entire premise straight from its' predecessor.

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I honestly think TNG began to lose me somewhere around season five. And I point to three episodes in particular:

I, Borg - All these years and it still comes back to use the freaking weapon! What could have been a great tale about having to give up a little bit of your soul for the greater good, ended up as utterly unwatchable garbage.

Chain of Command - These people are professionals, the best and brightest the Starfleet has to offer and they act like two year olds when a new CO comes aboard.

Homeward - By this point they had perverted the Prime Directive so badly that it bore little resemblance to its' TOS counterpart.
 
It's only natural, perhaps, that TNG takes all that flak, since it is the King of the Star Trek shows in terms of popularity and ratings. It may be good to be King, but it's not easy.

I can see how TOS is higher energy, and love it, how DS9 is a more realized concept, and VOY I haven't watched yet.

To each his own, and this is good. And its important to remember that it wasn't kids that gave TNG its ratings. It was TOS fans, and their children, as well as new fans.
 
It's only natural, perhaps, that TNG takes all that flak, since it is the King of the Star Trek shows in terms of popularity and ratings. It may be good to be King, but it's not easy.

It may have been King once, but Paramount knows what side its' bread is buttered on. Star Trek (2009) has made just about what all four TNG films made. Star Trek: The Original Series is the one Paramount rolled out the High-Definition carpet for.

Just remember competition was a lot more brutal in the sixties and when TNG hit the ground it had little in the way of competition (it could be placed anywhere on the schedule by any station that purchased it) and no network interference (and yet was still tepid). I would be interested how the numbers would've looked if it had to face something like Roseanne week in, week out?
 
It's only natural, perhaps, that TNG takes all that flak, since it is the King of the Star Trek shows in terms of popularity and ratings. It may be good to be King, but it's not easy.

It may have been King once, but Paramount knows what side its' bread is buttered on. Star Trek (2009) has made just about what all four TNG films made. Star Trek: The Original Series is the one Paramount rolled out the High-Definition carpet for.

Just remember competition was a lot more brutal in the sixties and when TNG hit the ground it had little in the way of competition (it could be placed anywhere on the schedule by any station that purchased it) and no network interference (and yet was still tepid). I would be interested how the numbers would've looked if it had to face something like Roseanne week in, week out?

I'm not really sure it's fair to bring Star Trek (2009) into this conversation. There isn't the over-saturation of Trek now that there was before. There are no series, or movies and there wasn't for what, 3 or 4 years? As for The original series remastered, it's going to be rather difficult to do it to TNG as well.
 
It's only natural, perhaps, that TNG takes all that flak, since it is the King of the Star Trek shows in terms of popularity and ratings. It may be good to be King, but it's not easy.

It may have been King once, but Paramount knows what side its' bread is buttered on. Star Trek (2009) has made just about what all four TNG films made. Star Trek: The Original Series is the one Paramount rolled out the High-Definition carpet for.

Just remember competition was a lot more brutal in the sixties and when TNG hit the ground it had little in the way of competition (it could be placed anywhere on the schedule by any station that purchased it) and no network interference (and yet was still tepid). I would be interested how the numbers would've looked if it had to face something like Roseanne week in, week out?

I'm not really sure it's fair to bring Star Trek (2009) into this conversation. There isn't the over-saturation of Trek now that there was before. There are no series, or movies and there wasn't for what, 3 or 4 years? As for The original series remastered, it's going to be rather difficult to do it to TNG as well.

Then it's really not fair to call TNG 'King' either. It had very little in the way of competition in the Sci-Fi genre when it premiered. When Star Trek (2009) premiered, last time I checked there were still over 700 episodes and 10 movies. With The Original Series running in syndication, The Next Generation on Sci-Fi and Enterprise on both Sci-Fi and HDNet.

As for remastering... if Paramount thinks it can turn a reasonable profit doing it, it'll be done.
 
It may have been King once, but Paramount knows what side its' bread is buttered on. Star Trek (2009) has made just about what all four TNG films made. Star Trek: The Original Series is the one Paramount rolled out the High-Definition carpet for.

Just remember competition was a lot more brutal in the sixties and when TNG hit the ground it had little in the way of competition (it could be placed anywhere on the schedule by any station that purchased it) and no network interference (and yet was still tepid). I would be interested how the numbers would've looked if it had to face something like Roseanne week in, week out?

I'm not really sure it's fair to bring Star Trek (2009) into this conversation. There isn't the over-saturation of Trek now that there was before. There are no series, or movies and there wasn't for what, 3 or 4 years? As for The original series remastered, it's going to be rather difficult to do it to TNG as well.

Then it's really not fair to call TNG 'King' either. It had very little in the way of competition in the Sci-Fi genre when it premiered. When Star Trek (2009) premiered, last time I checked there were still over 700 episodes and 10 movies. With The Original Series running in syndication, The Next Generation on Sci-Fi and Enterprise on both Sci-Fi and HDNet.

As for remastering... if Paramount thinks it can turn a reasonable profit doing it, it'll be done.

This I agree with. I love TNG, but it was King of nothing. The only thing I loved in terms of impact was it was part of the Golden Age of Scifi which was the 90s. Shows like DS9, Farscape, Babylon 5, X-Files were just all awesome. I'm sure there were more but these were the shows I watched.
 
Which is flawed reasoning since TNG is a direct spin-off from a little sixties series called Star Trek. Taking pretty much its' entire premise straight from its' predecessor.

It's not flawed, because they are not ripping off TOS, they are ripping off TNG. Doesn't matter that TNG is a very late spin off sequel to TOS.


Babylon 5 and DS9 have also ripped off each other. But did Babylon 5 rip off TOS because of that? No!
 
It may have been King once, but Paramount knows what side its' bread is buttered on. Star Trek (2009) has made just about what all four TNG films made. Star Trek: The Original Series is the one Paramount rolled out the High-Definition carpet for.

You know, I would LOVE to see what JJ and his crew would have done with the TNG cast.

I bet if they were given control there, people would be whistling a different tune. Of course, this can never be proven one way or another. But it would have certainly been interesting.
 
And you can just as easily argue that TOS ripped off "Forbidden Planet".

Star Trek definitely "borrowed" alot from Forbidden Planet.

It may have been King once, but Paramount knows what side its' bread is buttered on. Star Trek (2009) has made just about what all four TNG films made. Star Trek: The Original Series is the one Paramount rolled out the High-Definition carpet for.

You know, I would LOVE to see what JJ and his crew would have done with the TNG cast.

The TNG characters or the TNG actors? One of my major problems with Nemesis was how old and uninterested the cast seemed. And I guess the second piece would be: Could the TNG characters carry a "Big Summer" tentpole movie? Would "I got you gun!" or the big fight between Kirk and Spock translate well to TNG? TNG was very sedate... and the only time it really seemed to click (for me) was when they had a great guest star to play off of.

Though I agree it would've been interesting to see JJ Abrams take on TNG.
 
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