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In Memoriam: DeForest Kelley

Pop-culturally speaking, 1999 seems like yesterday to me. I'm not so certain there's been some fundamental sea-change in how the deaths of actors are dealt with in that time. I think De Kelley's death may have been treated much the same today, or Ann B. Davis's much the same then.

Except it was barely mentioned in 1999.

Either something changed or he simply was not thought to be worthy.

I think he was worthy--so I do think have changed.
 
I think he was always worthy, but wasn't thought to be worthy for whatever reason. Trek stigma in the industry, whatever. He and James Doohan should have qualified for places in the awards show memorium films based on their general bodies of work, never mind the recognition factor from Trek specifically.
 
I think he was always worthy, but wasn't thought to be worthy for whatever reason. Trek stigma in the industry, whatever. He and James Doohan should have qualified for places in the awards show memorium films based on their general bodies of work, never mind the recognition factor from Trek specifically.

That's what I've been attempting to say! LOL

Not saying anybody wasn't worthy just that they seemed worthy to me, and didn't get much recognition at the end.
 
I was on holiday when he died, as I remember seeing he ha passed on the cover of Star Trek Monthly. I can't believe it's been 15 years though.
 
I remember my then-gf emailed me (or ICQ'd me) with the line "He's dead, Jim".

I also remember the first thing I thought was "damn woman, I wanted to make that joke".
 
I think Ann B davis was fine but she got a LOT more attention a couple of weeks ago than De Kelley did in 1999...Sorry TOS is a bigger, better more influential show than Brady Bunch...

That's unfairly diminishing her accomplishments. Most younger people would only know her from the Brady Bunch, but she was an award–winning actress before that: two Emmys for Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series (out of four nominations) on The Bob Cummings Show, and she got a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame six years before Star Trek even hit the airwaves.

Her accomplishments on Love That Bob notwithstanding, her role as Alice on The Brady Bunch was, to be frank, the nadir of her career, as the show was crap (and even Robert Reed hated it.)
 
Her accomplishments on Love That Bob notwithstanding, her role as Alice on The Brady Bunch was, to be frank, the nadir of her career, as the show was crap (and even Robert Reed hated it.)

Interesting, how often performers poo-pooh the shows they were on. From what I understand, it was the same with Frank Sutton, from Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C. I guess Sutton didn't want to be known for doing comedy. But you know what? He was pretty good at it. I don't know what ticks in the minds of actors, but I don't understand the problem.

If I had some aspiration to write The Great American Novel, and ended up penning a very successful The Great American Book of Bathrooms Jokes, I think I'd be okay with that. Life throws us those kinds of curves all the time.
 
Her accomplishments on Love That Bob notwithstanding, her role as Alice on The Brady Bunch was, to be frank, the nadir of her career, as the show was crap (and even Robert Reed hated it.)

Interesting, how often performers poo-pooh the shows they were on. From what I understand, it was the same with Frank Sutton, from Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C. I guess Sutton didn't want to be known for doing comedy. But you know what? He was pretty good at it. I don't know what ticks in the minds of actors, but I don't understand the problem.

If I had some aspiration to write The Great American Novel, and ended up penning a very successful The Great American Book of Bathrooms Jokes, I think I'd be okay with that. Life throws us those kinds of curves all the time.

Fred Gwynne is THE prime example of this.
 
Her accomplishments on Love That Bob notwithstanding, her role as Alice on The Brady Bunch was, to be frank, the nadir of her career, as the show was crap (and even Robert Reed hated it.)

Interesting, how often performers poo-pooh the shows they were on. From what I understand, it was the same with Frank Sutton, from Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C. I guess Sutton didn't want to be known for doing comedy. But you know what? He was pretty good at it. I don't know what ticks in the minds of actors, but I don't understand the problem.

If I had some aspiration to write The Great American Novel, and ended up penning a very successful The Great American Book of Bathrooms Jokes, I think I'd be okay with that. Life throws us those kinds of curves all the time.

Fred Gwynne is THE prime example of this.

So true, when Gwynne was a guest on the Howard Stern show, he never wanted to talk about The Munsters. Of course, that was all that Stern wanted to talk about, and, being Stern, he could never just leave it alone.
 
Her accomplishments on Love That Bob notwithstanding, her role as Alice on The Brady Bunch was, to be frank, the nadir of her career, as the show was crap (and even Robert Reed hated it.)

Interesting, how often performers poo-pooh the shows they were on. From what I understand, it was the same with Frank Sutton, from Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C. I guess Sutton didn't want to be known for doing comedy. But you know what? He was pretty good at it. I don't know what ticks in the minds of actors, but I don't understand the problem.

If I had some aspiration to write The Great American Novel, and ended up penning a very successful The Great American Book of Bathrooms Jokes, I think I'd be okay with that. Life throws us those kinds of curves all the time.



I am with you, My Friend!...shit, I would settle for a good pamphlet! :lol: ...and it is amazing to me about performers poo-poohing...Christopher Plummer hated "Souond of Music", and Sir Alec Guiness disliked Star Wars...jesus...imagine those movies without those actors!
 
Her accomplishments on Love That Bob notwithstanding, her role as Alice on The Brady Bunch was, to be frank, the nadir of her career, as the show was crap (and even Robert Reed hated it.)

Interesting, how often performers poo-pooh the shows they were on. From what I understand, it was the same with Frank Sutton, from Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C. I guess Sutton didn't want to be known for doing comedy. But you know what? He was pretty good at it. I don't know what ticks in the minds of actors, but I don't understand the problem.

If I had some aspiration to write The Great American Novel, and ended up penning a very successful The Great American Book of Bathrooms Jokes, I think I'd be okay with that. Life throws us those kinds of curves all the time.



I am with you, My Friend!...shit, I would settle for a good pamphlet! :lol: ...and it is amazing to me about performers poo-poohing...Christopher Plummer hated "Sound of Music", and Sir Alec Guinness disliked Star Wars...Jesus...imagine those movies without those actors!

Plummer hated The Sound of Music because it was the only thing that people could or would know him for, and Guinness also hated Star Wars for the same reason (a woman told him that this was the only movie her little boy would watch), but Guinness also hated what he though was the simplistic nature of the story, which for him [and like Reed] was most likely a comedown after the respective highs of the shows and the movies that they'd done (most of the movies Guinness made, including The Horse's Mouth, and for Reed, his four seasons on the sadly now almost lost show The Defenders.) People have a right to despise things if they become typecast by them, and Reed, Guinness, and Plummer just came to do so, same as Sutton and may others (and in the cases of Reed and Sutton I can see why.)
 
Plummer hated The Sound of Music because it was the only thing that people could or would know him for, and Guinness also hated Star Wars for the same reason (a woman told him that this was the only movie her little boy would watch), but Guinness also hated what he though was the simplistic nature of the story, which for him [and like Reed] was most likely a comedown after the respective highs of the shows and the movies that they'd done (most of the movies Guinness made, including The Horse's Mouth, and for Reed, his four seasons on the sadly now almost lost show The Defenders.)

I read up a little on Alec Guinness a while back, and if you read between the lines, I think another thing he hated about Star Wars was its Jedi pseudo-religion. Guinness was a devout Christian. The simplistic, bumper-sticker belief system of Star Wars seemed to cause some young people to become disaffected from serious, history-spanning Great Faiths in favor of superficial movie dialog that's quipped between ray gun blasts. Guinness hated that, if I understand correctly.
 
Coincidentally, I arrived in Los Angeles the day before De Kelley's Star Ceremony on the Hollywood Walk of Fame (December 1991). When I got into town, I wandered along the Boulevard to the address I was given, to scope out where to stand for a good view the next day, and I had a rare private preview of the newly-laid star getting its final polish!


DeForest Kelley's star by Therin of Andor, on Flickr
 
Coincidentally, I arrived in Los Angeles the day before De Kelley's Star Ceremony on the Hollywood Walk of Fame (December 1991). When I got into town, I wandered along the Boulevard to the address I was given, to scope out where to stand for a good view the next day, and I had a rare private preview of the newly-laid star getting its final polish!


DeForest Kelley's star by Therin of Andor, on Flickr

Now THAT is a keeper picture...well timed for you! :) :techman:
 
I read up a little on Alec Guinness a while back, and if you read between the lines, I think another thing he hated about Star Wars was its Jedi pseudo-religion. Guinness was a devout Christian. The simplistic, bumper-sticker belief system of Star Wars seemed to cause some young people to become disaffected from serious, history-spanning Great Faiths in favor of superficial movie dialog that's quipped between ray gun blasts. Guinness hated that, if I understand correctly.









So he was a devout christian and a bi-sexual?
 
According to Wikipedia Guiness converted to Roman Catholicism in 1956. Presumably, he lived according to it's rules thereafter.
 
The reason Kelley (and by extension, his character) are the least notable of the "big three" is because Kelley didn't find a way out of the typecast box after Trek the way Nimoy and Shatner eventually did and he largely avoided the limelight, didn't do many conventions or much press/interviews in the latter days. The lasting popularity of an iconic character IS benefitted when the actor is highly visible.
 
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