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I'm Finally Going to Watch The Animated Series

tomalak301

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I've been a Star Trek fan ever since I was 4 (I'm 26 now) and there has always been one series that I have never seen. Well, now I came home and TAS Disc 1 was in the mail from Netflix so I'm officially going to watch the final Star Trek series. It's kind of mixed between feeling a bit of trepidation and looking forward to it because it will be new Star Trek but it also might be pretty corny. I like doing review threads, so consider this a review thread. Besides, how often do we even talk about this series here and now I'm a first time viewer who is willing to give it a chance. That, and like I said, it's new Star Trek.
 
Beyond the Farthest Star

Ok, first episode done. I actually liked it, mainly for the sense of awe and wonder until the ship take-over. The jelly-fish ship looked kinda cool for the effects of the time, and I was interested in learning about this ship from 300 million years ago. However, the ship take-over was routine, and the ending with the "Don't leave me, I'm getting Lonely" from the alien was kind of funny. I almost expected him to burst into song a la Kim Jung Ill but then this series happened almost 30 years ago.
 
Yeah, but for an era where the competition is "The Groovy Ghoulies" and "Josie and the Pussycats", this was pretty heavy stuff to be putting out as "a kid's show."
 
Just keep an open mind and don't be too harsh about the animation; it was pretty standard for the period.

Actually it was better than standard in some respects. If you look at contemporary shows from Hanna-Barbera, their animation was a little less repetitive but much sloppier. Filmation art may not have moved much, but it looked good.

And yes, it would definitely be a mistake to treat TAS as a "kids' show." The reason Roddenberry went with Filmation was because they were the only animation studio that got it, that didn't propose revamping it into a show with teenage heroes or cute alien sidekicks (although there was a brief flirtation with the idea of giving each main character a younger counterpart to mentor), but was willing to adapt it straight, to be true to the format and flavor of the original. Far from treating it as a "kids' show," the writers were specifically told to treat it as if they were writing for the live-action show, just at half the length, with minimal sex and violence, and without the budgetary and technological restrictions on scenery, effects, and alien designs.
 
The animated series is one of those things that fans fondly remember and put on a pedestal, but it clearly has feet of clay. But overall, it's enjoyable, for the most part well-written, and certainly has more of the flavor of Star Trek than much of Modern Trek.
 
I too recently watched the entire run of TAS, and I was disappointed. I understand the time period issue, but the animation is still weak. The actors reading the lines frequently sounded bored, especially Shatner, and it was obvious that they only used the same 8-9 voice actors for every role for the entire series run-Majel Barrett and Nichelle Nichols were especially bad at disguising their voices for other roles in the series.

That said, the plots themselves weren't bad, and there are some gems in the series, like "Yesteryear" and "The Counter-Clock Incident."
 
Yeah, that's the down side to using the original actors' voices. They weren't sitting in the studio as a group, riffing off each other. Most often, someone would show up where Shatner or Nimoy was performing and they would read lines into a tape recorder before running off. I think Shatner and Nimoy showed up together to do the first episode, but these guys were working actors, and couldn't commit to sitting in the recording studio to do the series. We're lucky we got what we did. Actually, we got better voice work from the supporting cast probably because they had more time to kill. Not including the doubleling up voices of Nichelle, Majel and George. Especially George. Jimmy Doohan, though, was amazing, He handled so many differen't voices. Lou Scheimer, the head of Filmation, did a bunch too. He usually did lend his voice to his shows. Later his daughter Erika did as well.
 
There were a number of other uncredited voice actors who worked on TAS, and unfortunately the revised Star Trek Concordance (and Memory Alpha, following its lead) just stuck James Doohan's name onto all of them, even when they clearly weren't his voice. For instance, Aleek-Om in "Yesteryear" is claimed by Memory Alpha to be Doohan, but to me it sounds more like Lennie Weinrib, the voice actor who did Commissioner Gordon and a lot of the villains in Filmation's '70s Batman cartoon, as well as Hanna-Barbera's Gomez Addams, the original Scrappy-Doo, and Hunk and Prince Lotor on Voltron. There are several other TAS background voices that I tentatively believe to be Weinrib, including Bates and Erikson from "Yesteryear," Gabler from a couple of episodes, Kaz and the "lost" Klingon in "The Time Trap," Clayton and Nephro from "The Ambergris Element," O'Shea from "The Pirates of Orion," Carver from "The Lorelei Signal," and one of the Kzinti in "The Slaver Weapon." He had a pretty distinctive nasal twang to his voice, very different from Doohan.

As for Scheimer, his TAS characters include Cadmar and Lemus in "Ambergris," a Romulan officer in "The Practical Joker," and a guard in "Albatross" -- not much compared to the amount of voice work he did in later shows. (I'm copying from a very old list I compiled back in the '80s, written in pencil and paper; I listed him there as "Eric Gunden," because that was the pseudonym he used in He-Man and She-Ra, and it would be years more before I learned it was really Scheimer who'd been doing all those announcer gigs and character parts over the years.) I also have a tentative listing for Ed Bishop as Demos in "Albatross" and the Romulan Commander as "Practical Joker," in addition to his known role as Asmodeus in "The Magicks of Megas-tu."
 
I too recently watched the entire run of TAS, and I was disappointed. I understand the time period issue, but the animation is still weak. The actors reading the lines frequently sounded bored, especially Shatner, and it was obvious that they only used the same 8-9 voice actors for every role for the entire series run-Majel Barrett and Nichelle Nichols were especially bad at disguising their voices for other roles in the series.

That said, the plots themselves weren't bad, and there are some gems in the series, like "Yesteryear" and "The Counter-Clock Incident."

I think Yesteryear is my next episode and if memory serves, it's a bit of a sequel to City on the Edge of Forever. Interested to see the Guardian again.
 
"Yesteryear" is by D. C. Fontana and is widely regarded as the best TAS episode.

I'm surprised to see "The Counter-Clock Incident" cited as a "gem." It just shows how opinions differ. I think it's the dumbest episode of the entire series, conceptually. The story's so incoherent and idiotic that Alan Dean Foster had to go to great lengths in his novelization to rationalize it away and basically repudiated the whole thing (not to mention changing its ending). I suppose it deserves credit for introducing the characters of Robert and Sarah April, but that doesn't make it a good episode.
 
Yesteryear

Maybe I'm a little biased since I just saw Enterprise's Forge Trilogy and Journey to Babel recently, but I loved this episode. It made me question why this series wasn't canon because we learned so much about Vulcan here that was only heightened by those 4 other episodes. We finally got to see Archeia (and I'll say the Sehlot's in Enterprise were a lot more menacing, this one really was a teddy bear ;) ), but we got so much more development for Spock that barely scratched the surface on the series. I did find the young spock a bit annoying at times but really, this was a big surprise given my reactions to the previous episode last night.
 
Oh I like TAS just fine. I can enjoy good stories regardless of format (film, TV, comics, novels, whatever). And these were fine TOS stories.

"The Pirates of Orion" would have made a great TOS eps.
"One of Our Planets is Missing" is enjoyable (even if it's just the Space Amoeba with intelligence).
"The Infinite Vulcan" is good, too. Nice backstory of a Eugenics War scientist who still lives by cloning himself. Intelligent plant aliens! Interesting! Although why Spock and Keniclius had to be 50 feet tall eludes me.
"Albatross" is a favorite, a fine story.

TAS stories are really no worse than any other kind of ST eps, any series.
 
I'd love to see a novel series, updating the stories by eliminating the really silly parts (40 foot tall Spock, etc.). Most of them would work just fine. The Foster adaptations are a favorite, I'd just like to see the stories viewed from a different perspective. Maybe some of them could be used post refit. Sequel to Ex Machina?
 
One of Our Planets are Missing

That's it? I've got to say, there are some interesting stories here, keeping with the seeking out new life theme, but at the end I started feeling sorry for the cloud. Sure, Spock convinced the cloud not to ingest Mantillies and to go back where it came from, but wasn't the Cloud's purpose seeking out food to survive. Maybe I'm not understanding it, but couldn't a compromise be reached to save Mantillies and still allow the cloud to ingest food? Maybe that's just a failing of a 24 minute episode, but I wonder if it would have been better served being a little longer.
 
Yesteryear

Maybe I'm a little biased since I just saw Enterprise's Forge Trilogy and Journey to Babel recently, but I loved this episode. It made me question why this series wasn't canon because we learned so much about Vulcan here that was only heightened by those 4 other episodes.

Well, Roddenberry issued a memo in, I think, '89 in which he asserted his position that TAS wasn't part of the canon, a position he took because it had some rather fanciful elements here and there, and also because he wasn't directly responsible for producing it, serving in more of a consultant capacity. Generally, his view in his later years was that any ST he didn't produce was of questionable canonicity at best; he considered ST V non-canonical as well.

However, contrary to popular belief, that memo ceased to be binding the day Roddenberry died. Canon isn't some law handed down from on high that all subsequent creators have to obey, it's just the policy and preferences of whoever's currently making the show. And a lot of ST productions in the years following Roddenberry's death have included references to elements of the animated series, such as DS9 mentioning the Klothos as Kor's ship and ENT using Vulcan's Forge. And of course the scenes of Spock's childhood in the 2009 movie are pretty much a paraphrase of a couple of scenes from "Yesteryear."

So I think the "TAS isn't canon" idea can be safely regarded as a dead letter by this point.


We finally got to see Archeia

Wha? Oh, you mean I-Chaya.

(and I'll say the Sehlot's in Enterprise were a lot more menacing, this one really was a teddy bear ;) )

Well, I-Chaya was old and weak, not to mention domesticated.

And note how unusual it was for the time to tell a story involving death in a Saturday morning cartoon. Filmation would return to this well two years later in the Isis episode "Lucky," in which Isis helped a young boy deal with the (offscreen) death of his beloved dog. I remember being quite affected by "Lucky" when I first saw it as a kid.


"One of Our Planets is Missing" is enjoyable (even if it's just the Space Amoeba with intelligence).

I've always seen it more as a precursor to Star Trek: The Motion Picture. A vast cosmic cloud is heading toward a populated planet, the Enterprise passes through its defenses to its brain center, Spock melds with its consciousness and the heroes try to persuade it that the little mites occupying its target planet are intelligent beings.

I suppose it could also be likened to the Galactus Trilogy without the Silver Surfer.


Although why Spock and Keniclius had to be 50 feet tall eludes me.

Because they could be. The goal was to depict things that couldn't be shown in live action. I guess normal-sized clones weren't visually distinctive enough.


Sure, Spock convinced the cloud not to ingest Mantillies and to go back where it came from, but wasn't the Cloud's purpose seeking out food to survive. Maybe I'm not understanding it, but couldn't a compromise be reached to save Mantillies and still allow the cloud to ingest food?

There are a lot more uninhabited planetary bodies in the galaxy than inhabited ones. The cloud should be able to feed itself quite adequately while still choosing to avoid populated planets.
 
I-Chaya, Archeia, they sounded kinda the same. ;) I probably should look up character names before I post because sometimes my spelling sucks. Still, it was nice to see a domesticated sehlat finally, especially Spock's pet.

I had the same thought about the cloud in terms of The Motion Picture. In fact, a question I forgot to ask was was this episode used as a template for The Motion Picture because there were a lot of familiarities.
 
I had the same thought about the cloud in terms of The Motion Picture. In fact, a question I forgot to ask was was this episode used as a template for The Motion Picture because there were a lot of familiarities.

Nope. I used to think so, since the story premise for TMP was by Alan Dean Foster, who novelized TAS. But Foster's original proposal, titled "In Thy Image," lacked most of the elements that resembled "One of Our Planets is Missing" -- no cloud, no Spock (since Nimoy initially declined to participate), no mind meld.

By the way, it's worth mentioning that today, September 8, 2010, is not only the 44th anniversary of the premiere of TOS, but the 37th anniversary of the premiere of TAS (in most of the US; it was postponed a week in LA). So tomalak301, you watched "Beyond the Farthest Star" almost exactly 37 years after it was first shown on television.
 
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