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If you were the creator of VOY, what would you have done differently?

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Ok I havn't posted here in a while so I hope people will forgive me for starting threads on the same topic in a few different categories.

I read this thread:
http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=76186

and people came out with some really interesting suggestions, so I was wondering what people would come up with if the same was done for TNG, DS9 and Voyager.

In this case Voyager.

Some small suggestions to get the ball rolling:

  • I agree with a lot of people here the ship was too...neat all the time for one stuck without starbase access and resupplies.
  • A different first officer, still a Maquis leader, but I would have cast someone different in the role.
  • I would have explored the Hirogen and Vidiians a lot more, as well as Species 8472 (I think they ruined them with that Academy episode).
 
Re: If you were the creator of VOY, what would you have done different

Give Tom Paris more of an edge and let him keep it longer.

Do more with Harry Kim and Chakotay.

No Neelix.

Keep Kes on the show along with 7.

More conflict between the Maquis and Starfleet crew, lasting at least all the way through season one. Keep the maquis in civilian clothes, just give them combadges. Play up the fact that the maquis were terrorists and had done a lot of unsavory things in the name of what they thought was right.

No Kazon, they always came off as 2nd hand Klingons.

More truly alien cultures.

More emphasis on short supplies and battle damage having lasting consequences.

No magically regenerating shuttlecraft, photorps, etc..

Year of Hell should have been an entire season with lasting consequences.
 
Re: If you were the creator of VOY, what would you have done different

I would have kept Kes as one of the main characters, prolonged her lifespan and made her the ship's counselor.

If I had brought in Seven, none of the original main characters would have been kicked out. I might also have had Seven as the main villain for one season or two, showing up from time to time as some Borg Queen and Voyager's nemesis. Then she would have been captured and the scenario would have been the same, with her striving to become human again.

But I might also have skipped the Borg totally after Seven came on board in "Scorpion".

Neelix wouldn't have left either and Lt.Carey shouldn't have been killed.

The end episodes would have been entirely different. It would have been an arc over three-four episodes including a final showdown with the female Caretaker in which she tried to destroy the ship but finally were convinced by Kes that Voyager didn't kill her mate and didn't mean to do any harm to her or anyone. Then she would have sent them home. It would also have been a real homecoming where we would have seen our favorites re-unite with family and friends.

Maybe a "happy end" between Janeway and Chakotay too. :beer:
Plus an option for continuing missions for the crew in possible moves and upcoming books.
 
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Re: If you were the creator of VOY, what would you have done different

Agree with kept Kes along with 7.
Gotten rid of the Kazon after a couple of episodes or so.
Created more tension between the Maquis and Starfleet people.
When Voyager sustains damage should have been carried over onto the next episodes not magically fixed the next week.
Would have found a different way for them to get home at the end.
 
Re: If you were the creator of VOY, what would you have done different

Pretty much everything.
 
Re: If you were the creator of VOY, what would you have done different

Oh this is a good question.

a) I wouldn't have speant so much time on the Kazons. They were so stupid, and I quite frankly got bored with them halfway through the FIRST season.

b) The alien cultures were too much like the ones we're used to really. they didn't put a lot of effort into that one.

c) I'd have more crew movement, IE promotions, demotions, transferrs, etc.

d) I personally hated Chakotay. I found his generic native american/south american persona a little racist. It wasn't specific enough, and they could have actually chosen a culture and explored it in detail throughout the series. It's one more example of the producers berman/brannagh or however you spell that being fraking lazy. AGAIN.

e) the ship, i agree, was too clean. It should have shown some wear on the outside, and some wear on the inside.

f) I didn't like Chakotay as first officer, he would have made a better counselor, and it would've been cool to see him as that instead of the traditional woman. I probably would've made Tuvok first officer, it makes more sense considering his experience is actually greater than Chakotay.

g) I liked the holographic doctor, but I liked Kes. Kes should've been his medical assitant in more ways than she was. Like she should've been more of a doctor. Also, she opted to leave so early. She should've stayed. And her lifespan is ridiculously short. Make it 40 years. 8? And producing only once in your lifetime? The species would be extinct because that's an evolutionary dead end unless the species has more than one baby.

h) CONSISTANCY CONSITANCY!!! The VFX, while good, were not always consistent. Like the time it shows voyager firing a phaser out of an aft torp launcher. LAZY LAZY.

i) there were too many convenient ways to get out of a problem...the deflector dish always saved the day. also, there was always some anomoly or nebula. There wasn't a whole lot of imagination that went into it. They should've had more story arcs instead of stand alone shows. I'm not talking season or more long arcs, but arcs that lasted 4 or 6 shows. well probably 4.

j) WHY WAS IT SO EASY for the Voyager's computer and tech to interact with alien tech???????? Has Starfleet NEVER heard of firewalls??????? Technology wouldn't be so easily compatible.

k) I'd have more relationships on Voyager. And more kids, and more naiomi wildeman. If Neelix was a godfather, why the hell wasn't she around more? And I would've shown more sub-characters interact, and even had the ship pick up a few people along the way.

L) And lastly, i would've put a gay character or two in there. Brannon/braggah or whatever REALLY believed in Star Trek's message of peace, tolerance, and equality, they sure sidestepped that step. They were so hypocritical. I read an article in Out Magazine that interviewed Patrick Stewart, who was (in addition to kate mulgrew) one of the people who always questioned that, and pushed to include gays more. Patrick said it was a "boys club" and they didn't want that. HOMOPHOBES!

A SPECIAL thanks to ruining the franchise brannan/braggagh (I HATE them.)
 
Re: If you were the creator of VOY, what would you have done different

Cast someone older as Tuvok. He was suppossed to be a sort of mentor to Janeway in the priginal inception and that would have worked better this way.

Recast the Chakotay role with Grahm Greene ("Dances With Wolves") and made him less of a generic amerind. Let the guy have a link a specific real-life native nation.

More conflict between the Stafleet and Maquis crew in general, and between Janeway and Chakotay in particular. So much could have been done with this aspect of the set-up. Besides the obvious occupational friction between the two groups, I would have set-up the Janeway-Chakotay conflict along the lines of Janeway's exploratory curiosity vs. Chakotay's let's get the fuck home now instinct.

The ship would have been progressively more grotty and tun-down as the series progressed. By the time they got back to Earth it would have been on it's last legs, held together by duct-tape and shedding parts in its own wake.
 
Re: If you were the creator of VOY, what would you have done different

I forgot a few, they should have made Lon Suder one of the main characters. Have him in a critical position that can't be filled by another of the crew.

After being outed as a murderer, they HAVE to keep him working since his position is so important to the ship. Perhaps he could just be confined to quarters or the brig during his off hours. I would have loved to see the crew be forced to interact with a known psychopathic killer on a regular basis.

More secondary characters. DS9 had tons of them, and some of them were actually more interesting than the main characters. Naomi, Icheb and Carey could have been fleshed out a lot more. A Hirogen or Vidian crew member that is picked up along the way? Could have been interesting..

No holodeck, or at least very low usage of it.

And more Barclay! More Barclay is good for everybody! Would have been interesting to have him as a regular part of the crew actually. Perhaps he decided that the Enterprise was a little too intense..Maybe he thinks that Voyager will be involved in more purely scientific missions that will allow him to do pure research..
 
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Re: If you were the creator of VOY, what would you have done different

No holodeck, or at least very low usage of it.

I've always wondered how they could use the holodeck when power supplies were low. I know the official reason was that it was a separate power source but still that source would need to be replenished somehow.

Then again it was a great way for the studio to recycle expensive sets and costumes instead of creating new ones for a new set of aliens.

Which brings me to another point: More new aliens instead of using the borg over and over again.
 
Re: If you were the creator of VOY, what would you have done different

Reply soon to you I will.

Ideas have I for better V'GER make yes.
 
Re: If you were the creator of VOY, what would you have done different

If I'd been in charge, there would have been a number of recurring crewmembers, not just characters who appear a few times and are otherwise ignored - how many times did this ship of about one hundred fifty, give or take, that was stranded thousands of light years away from home pull out a crewman we'd never seen before or would see again?

Likewise, I wouldn't have killed the whole medical staff - maybe just the highest ranking members, leaving a few just-graduated nurses who would need the Doctor's experience. It just made no sense that the Doctor, hologram or not, was able to treat the whole crew all the time, mostly on his own. And the ship's best pilot would NOT be the medical assistant - in instances where they'd need the nurse, they'd also need their best pilot at the helm.

I was never annoyed by Neelix, but after the third season, where Voyager left the area of space he knew, I probably would have had him be killed off during the Borg/8472 thing and kept Kes - it would give Kes a story with some meat, having to deal with losing her first love while one of those who represent the Borg, Seven, is one the ship. And I think that Kes would have made a better teacher of humanity to Seven than the Doctor - the Doctor had Seven take up his interests, rather than try to find her some of her own.

Also, there would be some character developments - maybe the odd promotion, especially for Harry - no one should be an Ensign for seven years, but on top of that obscenity, he's a member of the senior staff? By the end of the series, he should have been a full Lieutenant, and at the early half, there should be some resentment among the crew, even if it's just the Maquis crewmen, that this barely-graduated ensign is a member of the senior staff over someone who's more experienced.

The ship would take damage and be dirty - lights wouldn't always work, and the uniforms would start getting ratty and tattered. Although the odd alien species may have adequate repair facilities, most of the maintenance of the ship would have to be done by the crew on a scale of what's important - replacing the lights would be a lower priority than, say, sealing a hull breach with something beyond a force field. They'd have to develop a hydroponics bay that didn't look like it was little more than a garage - feeding the ship would take more than just replicator rations.

At some point, due to this more put-upon Voyager, I would expect there to be a growing feeling among the crew of 'why are we putting ourselves through all of this?' and they'd want to just settle some planet at some point. This would be a major dilemma for Janeway - she was always so determined to get her crew home, but now, her crew would rather find a world and live there. It'd be interesting to see how she'd go through that.

There would be more coupling among the crew - apart from Tom and B'Elanna, it seemed like the whole damn ship went celebate (excluding the main cast when the script called for it). That's not realistic. And it would lead to a few more kids among the crew - Voyager becoming a multi-generational ship would present further incentive for the above 'settle down' plot - I'm sure many of the crew who were reproducing would rather their children be safer on a planet somewhere than flying through space in a ship that is being held together with the 24th century equivilant of duct tape and chewing gum.

I'd be more focused on doing things on the ship and with the crew than creating some outside problem for them to deal with - due to the situation, I'd expect there to be a great deal of character conflict, despite Gene's previous dictate about how humans have evolved past such behavior - it goes back to what Quark says on DS9.

They're a wonderful, friendly people – as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts... deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers... put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time... and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people will become as nasty and violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon.

A Voyager that's constantly in need of repair, where the crewmen are lucky to get one meal, where sonic showers are something that they only allow themselves maybe once a month, where they have to face the unknown - an unknown that is more than willing to chew them up and spit them out - and they'll be at each other's throats after a time.

Basically, my mission statement is less 'get these people home' and more 'when a person is pushed to their limits, how long does it take for them to snap?'
 
Re: If you were the creator of VOY, what would you have done different

I would have had the Starfleet crew in the minority and had the Maquis (or a different, more fierce organization) in charge. They would all still work together but the Starfleet officers would have to struggle with some of the unethical decisions that the Maquis/other group makes that they are forced to go along with.

Also would have gotten them home at the end of season six and spent all of season seven dealing with the aftermath.

And Suder would have been a regular.
 
Re: If you were the creator of VOY, what would you have done different

First and foremost - No frakking Neelix!
Other than that, I would:
- get Harry Kim bumped to lieutenant (sometime around season 5, no later than that)
- Never, ever pair up Chakotay and 7/9
- get the ship home at least 3 episodes before the series finale (I always wanted to see the crew adjust to being home again (and I didn't really like how they handled that in the "Homecoming" novel.
 
Re: If you were the creator of VOY, what would you have done different

Oh this is a good question.

a) I wouldn't have speant so much time on the Kazons. They were so stupid, and I quite frankly got bored with them halfway through the FIRST season.

b) The alien cultures were too much like the ones we're used to really. they didn't put a lot of effort into that one.

c) I'd have more crew movement, IE promotions, demotions, transferrs, etc.

d) I personally hated Chakotay. I found his generic native american/south american persona a little racist. It wasn't specific enough, and they could have actually chosen a culture and explored it in detail throughout the series. It's one more example of the producers berman/brannagh or however you spell that being fraking lazy. AGAIN.

e) the ship, i agree, was too clean. It should have shown some wear on the outside, and some wear on the inside.

f) I didn't like Chakotay as first officer, he would have made a better counselor, and it would've been cool to see him as that instead of the traditional woman. I probably would've made Tuvok first officer, it makes more sense considering his experience is actually greater than Chakotay.

g) I liked the holographic doctor, but I liked Kes. Kes should've been his medical assitant in more ways than she was. Like she should've been more of a doctor. Also, she opted to leave so early. She should've stayed. And her lifespan is ridiculously short. Make it 40 years. 8? And producing only once in your lifetime? The species would be extinct because that's an evolutionary dead end unless the species has more than one baby.

h) CONSISTANCY CONSITANCY!!! The VFX, while good, were not always consistent. Like the time it shows voyager firing a phaser out of an aft torp launcher. LAZY LAZY.

i) there were too many convenient ways to get out of a problem...the deflector dish always saved the day. also, there was always some anomoly or nebula. There wasn't a whole lot of imagination that went into it. They should've had more story arcs instead of stand alone shows. I'm not talking season or more long arcs, but arcs that lasted 4 or 6 shows. well probably 4.

j) WHY WAS IT SO EASY for the Voyager's computer and tech to interact with alien tech???????? Has Starfleet NEVER heard of firewalls??????? Technology wouldn't be so easily compatible.

k) I'd have more relationships on Voyager. And more kids, and more naiomi wildeman. If Neelix was a godfather, why the hell wasn't she around more? And I would've shown more sub-characters interact, and even had the ship pick up a few people along the way.

L) And lastly, i would've put a gay character or two in there. Brannon/braggah or whatever REALLY believed in Star Trek's message of peace, tolerance, and equality, they sure sidestepped that step. They were so hypocritical. I read an article in Out Magazine that interviewed Patrick Stewart, who was (in addition to kate mulgrew) one of the people who always questioned that, and pushed to include gays more. Patrick said it was a "boys club" and they didn't want that. HOMOPHOBES!

A SPECIAL thanks to ruining the franchise brannan/braggagh (I HATE them.)

Excellent observations, fully seconded.
 
Re: If you were the creator of VOY, what would you have done different

I would add subtitles.

Maybe reading what's being explained on the show might help many understand things better and not have the questions about the show that they do.
 
Re: If you were the creator of VOY, what would you have done different

I think the on-going damage thing is good-but I also think they could have had a heck of a 2parter where the ship reaches a society that can actually fix them up right. It could have involved a complicated, planet-based story. This would have been great right around the end of season 3-giving them a "fresh" ship to start S4.Or do this after the below mentioned Year of Hell scenario.
Neelix should have been a bit more of a rogue, based on his history-it would have made him more interesting. I agree with associating Chakotay with a specific tribe-lots of plotline there. The Year of Hell was s'posed to be a year long-it got chopped down behind the scenes. That would have been great. Can you imagine tuning in to "Year of Hell Pt.9"? One title all season long with maybe subtitles each week.

Hydroponics would have been critical-it should have been fleshed out and the character responsible should have been on a par with Quark or Rom in terms of importance in the show.

Kazon-2 episodes and bye-bye. Hirogens and Vidiians played out ok, IMO, but something more dangerous and non-Borg would have been cool. Something like the T'zenkathi.....

An episode or two ala Lower Decks would have been nice-150 people and we actually only learn about 7-8? Fer Christ's sake!

As for Maquis tension-drawing it out more would've made sense. And losing that Cardie broad earlier would have been nice. Kes could stay and adopting 7-I don't know. Jeri Ryan was great but some other character for her besides Borg would have been nice. How about, the Borg killed her parents(who's ship used a transwarp tube by accident while tracking and studying the Borg) and a race in the Delta Quadrant raised her after finding her on the derelict-and THAT'S why she needs to learn how to fit into Human society.
 
Re: If you were the creator of VOY, what would you have done different

The Maquis tension should have been very strong in the first season or so; so much that it nearly grounds Voyager from getting home. It should be moderate around 3rd season and then almost gone by 5th. However, by late 6th season, when communication with the Federation is made, the former Maquis face standing trial for their crimes. This would create a nie story arc. The Maquis took time to coalesce with the Voyager crew and when differences are nearly forgotten they emerge again - only this time from the outside and among those in the Alpha Quadrant to boot; the very place they are striving to get back too. I think it would have created a wonderful dilemia. Would Janeway stand against Starfleet? Would former Maquis actually abandon the quest for home? I think the catch 22 would have been even more compounded if the romance between Janeway and Chakotay was allowed to strengthen.

I never ever liked the part of Neelix; at least not in the way he was written. He should have been more of a rogue. A sort of wandering space pirate. Should have been a lot edgier and darker. Not a buffoon. I've also think that the disasterous way his relationship with Kes was handled was not only due to bad writing, but I think that Philips isn't that great an actor, especially when it comes to romance.

The rift between Chakotay and Paris should have lasted at least a season.

Kes had so much potential. She was a major catalyst in the development of Tuvok, Neelix and the Doctor. Use her!

A deeper relationship with Janeway and Tuvok. I never really felt the "great friendship" they were supposed to share in the series.

More reoccuring minor characters. This is a relatively small ship all alone in space. We should have gotten to know more of the crew than we did.
 
Re: If you were the creator of VOY, what would you have done different

Voyager - Beefed-up prototype ship designed for the Borg but "lost the contract" to the Defiant. Included shuttles (6 only), fighters and a pre-made Delta Flyer/Aerowing, although isn't fully operational to begin with

Janeway - Younger and inexperienced, and we follow her journey to the 'rank' of hero as the series goes on.

Chakotay - Arrogant and self-serving, more like Avon from Blake's 7, and definitely willing to put the Maquis crew first.

Paris - Pretty much the same.

Torres - Pretty much the same.

The Doctor - The same, with the same restrictions on early seasons in terms of sickbay-only stories.

Kes - A starfleet officer from the Alpha Quadrant, but with the same lifespan.

Neelix - Changes to a Galen-like character from Crusade.

Tuvok - Remove.

Kim - Remove.

Seven - Remove.

Story:

Five year arc, ongoing damage, some makeshift repairs will see them moving away from Starfleet technology and getting new alien technology.

season one deals with the crew getting to know each other, learning about the area they're in. Cliffhanger: Mutiny, with Chakotay confining the crew to quarters while they nick off with Voyager.

Season two sees Chakotay being overthrown himself, then stages a mutineers mutiny and sees the error of his ways. Kes is killed partway through the season. The Equinox is found and the crews join up, but an attack leaves the command crew dead, so Janeway gives command of the ship to Chakotay and the Maquis. Cliffhanger: A New Caprica-type arc, sees Voyager forced to flee, leaving many of the crew stranded on the surface.

Season three sees Voyager returning to save the day, the Equinox is sacrificed to save Voyager at some stage, Voyager encounters the Borg but barely escapes, etc etc. Cliffhanger: Janeway is apparently killed by the Borg as her shuttle explodes, leaving Chakotay in command.

Season four sees Chakotay finding Janeway is alive but now a Borg, using the nwly repaired delta flyer to rescue her, then Voyager fights a handful of Borg episodes until escaping, but being stranded in the void between spiral arms for a few episodes, then discovering a Delta quadrant version of the Federation. Cliffhanger: The command crew are lost in the delta flyer through a wormhole, leaving Voyager in the hands of the 'lower decks' crew.

Season five sees Voyager reunited with the command crew after a few episodes by themselves, then Voyager finds a deadly alien species slowly destroying civilisation after civilisation, and now they know where earth is. Conclusion: Voyager loses it's warp core and must use an alien one to survive. The aliens build a bridge to earth, but Voyager uses it to get home, not before sending a nearby star nova to destroy the aliens. Voyager emerges too late from the bridge and crashes on Earth, tearing up san francisco as she goes. Voyager is reunited with families.
 
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