If you don't think Nemesis is better than Star trek 2009....

[MasuPu'a]

I'm ashamed to admit that I think we've fallen into this trap:

There is no way this guy is for real. He has to be fucking with us. Absolutely no way this can be serious. I'm grabbing another glass of Baileys and going to bed.

Obvious troll is obvious...I guess I had nothing better to do tonight then to feed a troll.

 

[BillJ]

I'm ashamed to admit that I think we've fallen into this trap:

There is no way this guy is for real. He has to be fucking with us. Absolutely no way this can be serious. I'm grabbing another glass of Baileys and going to bed.

I relocated from my living (where I was watching an episode of Voyager, btw) to my bed. Sometimes I wish I didn't have a laptop. I would just walk away.

The iPad has cost me many hours of sleep.

 

[trek_futurist]

Oh for crying out loud.... If Jersey Shore entertained me, I would be watching that. It doesn't. Star Trek does.

I can not seriously believe you're now arguing that entertainment value and discussion of "higher" topics are mutually exclusive.

No wonder us Trekkies have such a horrible reputation in the real world.

If it is merely a matter of entertainment, as a few of you suggest, why not promote something that leads to the path of least resistance for ratings? Such as another cop show. Another forensics show. Another day time talk show. These garner much higher ratings than star trek ever has (hence the longevity of shows lie jerry springer). With the exception of the 2009 namesake, of course. *raises eyebrow*

You're absolutely right. And that's exactly why there is no Trek on TV right now and why there probably won't be for a very long time.

Trek used to be popular and make money, and then it got less popular with each subsequent TV series. It is no longer worth the investment to make more Trek shows.

The ratings of TNG were much higher than TOS or any of the other shows, which is why it survived 7 seasons, and it was arguably the most philosophically and scientifically challenging trek incarnation ever. VOY and DS9 lasted 7 seasons as well. ENT lasted only 4 because it attempted to make it more accessible to the masses. The 2009 thing 'succeeded' financially because it was marketed to the masses as a generic summer blockbuster and nothing more. The star trek affiliation was in namesake only. It did not succeed as a star trek movie, but as an abstract object called a summer blockbuster. This is the very first time this can be said of a star trek film. Despite TWOK's success, it still succeeded as a star trek film.

 

[Maurice]

He/she/it had no credibility from the moment of the original post. This is the kind of person who's only interested in proving themselves to be "right" rather than being factually correct, and will pick through any post to find a few poorly chosen words to try to twist around.

I'm adding a new name to my ignore list. I suggest others do as well.

 

[BillJ]

If it is merely a matter of entertainment, as a few of you suggest, why not promote something that leads to the path of least resistance for ratings? Such as another cop show. Another forensics show. Another day time talk show. These garner much higher ratings than star trek ever has (hence the longevity of shows lie jerry springer). With the exception of the 2009 namesake, of course. *raises eyebrow*

You're absolutely right. And that's exactly why there is no Trek on TV right now and why there probably won't be for a very long time.

Trek used to be popular and make money, and then it got less popular with each subsequent TV series. It is no longer worth the investment to make more Trek shows.

The ratings of TNG were much higher than TOS or any of the other shows, which is why it survived 7 seasons, and it was arguably the most philosophically and scientifically challenging trek incarnation ever. VOY and DS9 lasted 7 seasons as well. ENT lasted only 4 because it attempted to make it more accessible to the masses. The 2009 thing 'succeeded' financially because it was marketed to the masses as a generic summer blockbuster and nothing more. The star trek affiliation was in namesake only. It did not succeed as a star trek movie, but as an abstract object called a summer blockbuster. This is the very first time this can be said of a star trek film. Despite TWOK's success, it still succeeded as a star trek film.

It succeeded as Star Trek the moment nerds like us started staying up all night arguing about it. The tradition proudly continues.

 

[RoJoHen]

You're absolutely right. And that's exactly why there is no Trek on TV right now and why there probably won't be for a very long time.

Trek used to be popular and make money, and then it got less popular with each subsequent TV series. It is no longer worth the investment to make more Trek shows.

The ratings of TNG were much higher than TOS or any of the other shows, which is why it survived 7 seasons, and it was arguably the most philosophically and scientifically challenging trek incarnation ever. VOY and DS9 lasted 7 seasons as well. ENT lasted only 4 because it attempted to make it more accessible to the masses. The 2009 thing 'succeeded' financially because it was marketed to the masses as a generic summer blockbuster and nothing more. The star trek affiliation was in namesake only. It did not succeed as a star trek movie, but as an abstract object called a summer blockbuster. This is the very first time this can be said of a star trek film. Despite TWOK's success, it still succeeded as a star trek film.

It succeeded as Star Trek the moment nerds like us started staying up all night arguing about it. The tradition proudly continues.

When the next movie comes out, I'm going to make a point to pay extra attention to its use of scientific theories (but only if they're grounded in general relativity!) and morals.

 

[Amaris]

As for me, I'm going to start using more exclamation marks and assert my dominance by calling strong black women 'whores'.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

I am shutting this thread down. CLANG! Good night, everybody.