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If you do a war then doesn't Pike and the Enterprise have to show up?

It wasn't a legal reason, it was a production decision to keep the Film an TV series stuff separate to avoid audience confusion/expectation.

To wit: If a casual Star Trek fan saw a Sovereign Class ship on the screen on a DS9 TV episode - he might assume "Hey that MUST be Picard's ship...I wonder when he'll show up in this episode?"
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In other words - the Sovereign Class was for Feature Films only; ergo, you never saw the ship model used on any the the 24th century era shows post ST:FC.
And this is arguably the kind of thinking and decision making that helped torpedo Trek in the late 90s-early 2000s. Apparently Berman was responsible for nixing the idea of TNG doing a sequel to 'A Piece of the Action' and only grudgingly allowing other TOS elements onto TNG such as the Sarek episode where apparently the writers had to lobby to let Picard even say 'Spock!'. I got those from some of the extras on the TNG Blu-Rays by the way.
As for the Klingon war on DSC, I suppose it would depend on its scale as to whether or not the Enterprise shows up. If its a 'brush-fire' war it may not. Consider this: during the whole of the (first?) Korean War the US Navy didn't deploy any of their largest and most powerful aircraft carriers the USS' Midway, Franklin D. Rooservelt or Coral Sea in service since the mid to late 1940s, opting instead for the older (and smaller, less capable) Essex class carriers. Similarly the Royal Navy opted to send a small Colossus class 'light' aircraft carrier on a rotating basis with less than forty piston-engine fighter-bombers (including during the very beginning of the war a squadron of Seafires, the naval version of the Spitfire) instead of sending HMS Eagle, Britain's largest carrier equipped, among other things with a couple of squadrons of jets and which entered service over a year before the war ended.
 
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The Enterprise is out there, whether it shows up visibly is up in the air.

It is on a tactical map according to people who did the set tour, and I wouldn't be surprised if it and Pike got a name drop at some point.

I would so love to see the Constitution redesign.

As long as it is done as faithfully as the Tricorder/Phaser/Communicator
 
The Enterprise is out there, whether it shows up visibly is up in the air.

It is on a tactical map according to people who did the set tour, and I wouldn't be surprised if it and Pike got a name drop at some point.



As long as it is done as faithfully as the Tricorder/Phaser/Communicator

Yeah, something along that lines. The body outline and style just no longer work. It does not fit with the ships we have and has not since ENT. There are some fantastic fan redesigns that keep the feel, but update it.
 
It's totally inevitable we'll see a Constitution class starship in this series at some point. What it will look like and who's on it is anyone's guess.
 
I would rather it be to Pike's Enterprise that Burnham goes from her incarceration, rather than the Discovery. Dealing with Spock would be an interesting added dimension for her return to a starship. What's their relationship now? What was it before? I don't see what Discovery gives you that Enterprise doesn't other than that the middle aged brunette white male Captains name is Lorca, instead of Pike, and the ship design is suckier than the Constitution class. And getting a chance to see a version of the show we almost got originally would be interesting. Alas.
 
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I would rather it be to Pike's Enterprise that Burnham goes from her incarceration, rather than the Discovery. Dealing with Spock would be an interesting added dimension for her return to a starship. What's their relationship now? What was it before? I don't see what Discovery gives you that Enterprise doesn't other than the Captains name is Lorca, instead of Pike, and the ship design is suckier than the Constitution class. And getting a chance to see a version of the show we almost got originally would be interesting.

As far as prequels go, I always did like the idea of a Pike and Spock Enterprise show.
 
Jayson, you're a fleet captain, and so was Pike.

Sure he's not an admiral or a commodore, but that rank denotes that Chris was in charge of a fleet, no matter how few ships it requires to make up a fleet, which would make Enterprise "a" flag ship since it carried a flag officer, for the brief amount of time between Pikes promotion, and Kirk assuming command.

By that reckoning, Admiral Kirk's presence should have made the Enterprise a flag ship, a ship carrying a high ranking officer, more so than the ship that assumes command of a fleet despite not having an admiral aboard.

I'm confused. How can Jayson be both a Commodore and a Fleet Captain? I'm only a Captain-Captain, so it might be above my paygrade, but why don't the user title and the rank banner line-up, when they're both supposed to be based on the same rank progression?
 
If you can do a Dominion war and not have Picard and the Enterprise show up, you can do a Klingon war in the 23rd century and not have Pike and Jose Tyler show up either.

It's a big galaxy, breh
 
I'm confused. How can Jayson be both a Commodore and a Fleet Captain? I'm only a Captain-Captain, so it might be above my paygrade, but why don't the user title and the rank banner line-up, when they're both supposed to be based on the same rank progression?

He must have gotten a promotion since I typed that.
 
I would rather it be to Pike's Enterprise that Burnham goes from her incarceration, rather than the Discovery. Dealing with Spock would be an interesting added dimension for her return to a starship. What's their relationship now? What was it before? I don't see what Discovery gives you that Enterprise doesn't other than that the middle aged brunette white male Captains name is Lorca, instead of Pike, and the ship design is suckier than the Constitution class. And getting a chance to see a version of the show we almost got originally would be interesting. Alas.

Lorca: "We'll rendezvous with the Enterprise and the Yosemite at Wolf 359. Hmm... Burnham, didn't you serve on the Enterprise?"

Burnham: "Briefly, three years ago when the Shenzhou was undergoing repairs. Her Captain isn't very war-ready, but it's a good crew. My brother's the science officer now. The mission was classified, but it was interesting."

Lt. "Ash" Tyler: "I was there too."
 
He must have gotten a promotion since I typed that.

Maybe, but as I'm looking at it right now, it says "Jayson1 - Commodore - [ Fleet Captain ]". It seems weird that the two titles don't match up. And weird that there are two titles to begin with, but I kinda get why. Maybe the banner will update after a server refresh or something.
 
If you can do a Dominion war and not have Picard and the Enterprise show up, you can do a Klingon war in the 23rd century and not have Pike and Jose Tyler show up either.

It's a big galaxy, breh

True. But it wouldn't kill them to do it. DSC needs all the help it can get considering this streaming platform isn't exactly getting a lot of fans excited about wanting to subscribe. ;)
 
Maybe, but as I'm looking at it right now, it says "Jayson1 - Commodore - [ Fleet Captain ]". It seems weird that the two titles don't match up. And weird that there are two titles to begin with, but I kinda get why. Maybe the banner will update after a server refresh or something.

0-5 Cadet
5-25 Ensign
25-50 Lieutenant Junior Grade
50-100 Lieutenant
100-250 Lieutenant Commander
250-500 Commander
500-1000 Captain
1000-2000 Fleet Captain
2000-4000 Commodore
4000-8000 Rear Admiral
8000-16000 Vice Admiral
16000-32000 Admiral
32000+ Fleet Admiral

Jayson is on 2073 posts at the moment. :)
 
True. But it wouldn't kill them to do it. DSC needs all the help it can get considering this streaming platform isn't exactly getting a lot of fans excited about wanting to subscribe. ;)

Based on what facts exactly? A minority of vocal internet malcontents who wanted a Post-Nemesis series and are chagrined about CBSAA wanting their hard-earned $6?

That ain't data, my man. And since streaming services measure success differently than network TV, nobody is in position to judge right now.
 
Just saying I've been seeing a lot of people who liked the show but don't like CBS All Access and can understand why somebody wouldn't want to subscribe short of being given a very good reason to do so.
 
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