If you do a war then doesn't Pike and the Enterprise have to show up?

[Guy Gardener]

Jayson, you're a fleet captain, and so was Pike.

Sure he's not an admiral or a commodore, but that rank denotes that Chris was in charge of a fleet, no matter how few ships it requires to make up a fleet, which would make Enterprise "a" flag ship since it carried a flag officer, for the brief amount of time between Pikes promotion, and Kirk assuming command.

By that reckoning, Admiral Kirk's presence should have made the Enterprise a flag ship, a ship carrying a high ranking officer, more so than the ship that assumes command of a fleet despite not having an admiral aboard.

 

[ISS Enterprise]

Pike and the 1701 can't show up, they'll look out of place wearing the actual uniforms for that time period LOL

 

[Rahul]

I'm pretty sure they're going to have a line or side comment about "the Enterprise" or even only "Cpt. Pike's ship" in the background - maybe as having won some other, of-screen battle.

Hell, we might even hear how some couragious "Lt. Kirk" was awarded for his heroics!

 

[Timo]

...Pike only got the promotion to Fleet Captain at the point where he gave up the ship, supposedly. Or at least when Kirk's asked if he met the guy, he says "When he got promoted". Not "First when he got promoted, then when I got his ship", that is.

This assuming that Fleet Captain is even a rank distinct from Kirk's. For all we know, it's to tell the rank apart from the position in formal occasions.

Speaking of rank, Garth of Izar (the man who never was called Fleet Captain) claimed Kirk was a celebrated warrior once, and Kirk modestly replied he's more of an explorer nowadays. Supposedly, the 2250s are Kirk's time to shine as a soldier. But what sort of leadership feats can he achieve at the rank of Lieutenant? Or is he just a helmsman famed for his Kirk Maneuver, or a redshirt with an impressive list of kills?

...Or does he command a ship of his own at Lieutenant rank, like Pike apparently did?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[saladdays]

But what legal reason could there possibly have been? Both entities were owned and produced by Paramount.

That's a good question, and I really don't know.

 

[MvRojo]

I know and I thought that was a mistake. At least I think they had a legal reason for it and I think the ship could only be used for the movie's. It's possible this show has the same issue. I wonder if it is legally acceptable for them to even show a Constitution class starship or a Deadlaus class, on the show.

Jason

I think it was just a creative choice. They wanted to keep the Enterprise-E and the Sovereign class in the movies...maybe to keep it special or unique. They did pull other stuff from the movies though, as we saw Akira-class ships in both DS9 and Voyager.

 

[Kane_Steel]

Pike and the 1701 can't show up, they'll look out of place wearing the actual uniforms for that time period LOL

It will have to be a JJ updated version of Pike and the Enterprise.

 

[Tuskin38]

It will have to be a JJ updated version of Pike and the Enterprise.

Nope, because the Enterprise in that timeline didn't launch until 2 years after this show starts.

 

[Noname Given]

I know and I thought that was a mistake. At least I think they had a legal reason for it and I think the ship could only be used for the movie's. It's possible this show has the same issue. I wonder if it is legally acceptable for them to even show a Constitution class starship or a Deadlaus class, on the show.

Jason

It wasn't a legal reason, it was a production decision to keep the Film an TV series stuff separate to avoid audience confusion/expectation.

To wit: If a casual Star Trek fan saw a Sovereign Class ship on the screen on a DS9 TV episode - he might assume "Hey that MUST be Picard's ship...I wonder when he'll show up in this episode?"
^^^
In other words - the Sovereign Class was for Feature Films only; ergo, you never saw the ship model used on any the the 24th century era shows post ST:FC.

 

[Tuskin38]

I wonder if it is legally acceptable for them to even show a Constitution class starship or a Deadlaus class, on the show.

They are allowed. They own the rights to those designs.

 

[Jayson1]

I wonder how far up it went to not use the Enterprise-E. Was it Behr and the writers or Rick Berman or whoever was above Rick Berman. I imagine their must be some people whose jobs were to only focus on the movies and maybe they made the call.

Jason

 

[Ithekro]

The suits always underestimate the audience.

 

[mattman8907]

Apparently in the Discovery novel "Desperate Measures"

Spoiler

Captain Pike and the Enterprise make an appearance.

 

[cooleddie74]

The Enterprise, Pike and Spock don't have to show up, but it would be very cool and a wonderful nod to both continuity and old school fans to see the Constitution-class NCC-1701 drop out of warp near a battle with the Klingons and open fire on the enemy, the graceful curves of the classic Enterprise filling the screen. A soundalike voice actor who can do a good Jeffrey Hunter can send a message to Lorca and Burnham on the bridge of Discovery telling them that he and the Enterprise have their back.

Again, it doesn't have to be done. But it would be very cool if it happens.

 

[Ithekro]

The now classic "There is another starship coming in."

"What ship?"

"Its! The Enterprise?"

"What that rust bucket?"

Exterior shot of USS Enterprise exiting from high warp and putting two torpedoes into a critical Klingon warship.

"A ship is a ship when its firing torpedoes into the enemy. Sir."

 

[cooleddie74]

Lorca: "Chris Pike. That bastard has the best timing I've ever seen."

 

[Rahul]

Apparently, the producers back then didn't wanted to "waste" their "movie" ship (the ENT-E) on television. And not "confuse" viewers with a Voyager-like ship during the battle scenes. (To be fair, the DS9-writers have proven petty enough to blow a Galaxy-ship up, just as a sour good-bye at the finale of the TNG series. I wouldn't put it beneath them to destroy the ship from "the other" series in close-up out of pettiness either )

But the end result was a bit cringeworthy: Large fleets, without any of the more modern ships (Intrepid, Souvereign, Prometheus, Nova, ...), but instead a WHOLE BUNCH of century old Mirandas.... simply because the CGI-model was available...

I DO hope for Pike's Enterprise being mentioned, but I don't necessarily want to see it on-screen anytime soon. Same for a young Kirk. Spock might be a difference, with the whole Sarek-connection and all.

 

[Jayson1]

Apparently, the producers back then didn't wanted to "waste" their "movie" ship (the ENT-E) on television. And not "confuse" viewers with a Voyager-like ship during the battle scenes. (To be fair, the DS9-writers have proven petty enough to blow a Galaxy-ship up, just as a sour good-bye at the finale of the TNG series. I wouldn't put it beneath them to destroy the ship from "the other" series in close-up out of pettiness either )

But the end result was a bit cringeworthy: Large fleets, without any of the more modern ships (Intrepid, Souvereign, Prometheus, Nova, ...), but instead a WHOLE BUNCH of century old Mirandas.... simply because the CGI-model was available...

I DO hope for Pike's Enterprise being mentioned, but I don't necessarily want to see it on-screen anytime soon. Same for a young Kirk. Spock might be a difference, with the whole Sarek-connection and all.

I thought the DS9 writers destroyed a Galaxy class ship to show the audience just how dangerous the Jem:Haddar were going to be? why would they have sour grapes about TNG leaving the air?

Jason

 

[Rahul]

I thought the DS9 writers destroyed a Galaxy class ship to show the audience just how dangerous the Jem:Haddar were going to be? why would they have sour grapes about TNG leaving the air?

Jason

Most likely, yes. Because the Galaxy-class ship was the big 'powerhouse'-ship at the time.

But this is a common conspiracy theory:
The writers of DS9 didn't like how they were treated by Berman and his crew, over on the more popular show, which they had to subordinate themselves to. Not being allowed to make any major changes without consulting them like their "bosses" and ask for permission to do certain story arcs, but being forced to introduce stuff on quick order by them that they didn't actually want to do in the first place (like the Maquis and certain cameos), and generally being treated as the "B"-show.
And as a restult, the very second TNG ended (which was parallel to the second season finale of DS9), when they were the "only" show on air for a few seconds and had free reign, they used that to "destroy" the Enterprise (symbolically), to show that now they have the bigger stakes, and as a small little finger to upper management.

Now all of this is behind-the-scenes gossip, so you'll never going to get a definite yes or no, and different people telling different things. But personally? I think it fits the spirit of how the DS9-writer crew treated the Berman-era doctrines in general, and decide to believe it's true.

 

[PixelMagic]

Pike and the 1701 can't show up, they'll look out of place wearing the actual uniforms for that time period LOL

Pike and the 1701 would be retconned to fit in with Discovery's aesthetic.