If voyager was a Galaxy class star ship???

[Deks]

When exactly did Voyager took out numerous Borg ships at the same time except apart in Endgame when it used highly advanced technology?

I recall them destroying a Borg probe by transporting a Photon Torpedo on-board in an attempt to disable it.
Next, the ship managed to kill off a Borg Diamond class ship only because they fired a bunch of torpedoes into the TW conduit, forcing it to collapse (which was bound to profoundly tear the Borg ship apart).
Furthermore, they were able to disable a Cube run by Borg children who were out of their maturation chambers prematurely and probably possessed limited tactical knowledge.
In Unimatrix Zero, Voyager was going up against a Tactical Cube, which was able to penetrate it's shields rather fast and inflict moderate damage (7 probably also contributed), then initiated a final assault with the help of a resistance Sphere which was providing heavy support, and the Tactical Cube only ended up destroyed because the Queen ordered self-destruct.

Also, Voyager did not spend all of it's original torpedoes halfway through Season 1 ... I think that happened by the end or mid Season 3 ... and as we already established, off-screen resupplying of resources and possible construction of new torpedoes likely took place (they traded enough times even on-screen to theorize they would be smart enough to requisition anti-matter supplies and manufactured parts for torpedoes themsevles, or they simply made them on the go).

Voyager had a smaller crew in contrast to what a Galaxy class had, so it stands to reason there would be fewer family starters.
They weren't exactly under ideal circumstances where raising kids was viable (although, when Kes was still aboard and she experienced time shifting from the future into the past, we have seen at the very least in that future her family grew ... and who knows how many others) and Voyager started with the short-cuts home when Kes left.

If a Galaxy class has more room for resource/food storage, it would be appropriate for the ratio of consumption.
Intrepid class stocked to the full is more than able to cater to all it's crew without a hitch (problem was, the ship was initially launched for a 2 weeks mission and not a deep space exploratory assignment like the Enterprise-D was ... if it was, I'm sure the crew would not face resource issues so fast ... then again, the trip to the DQ damaged a lot of systems which reduced engine efficiency ... I doubt the same thing wouldn't happen to a Galaxy class).

 

[tvih]

Yeah, they didn't actually destroy all that many ships. They severely damaged that one sphere at Icheb's home planet, but didn't destroy it. Of the Borg ships destroyed in the show, most were destroyed by others. Like the abandoned cube when Voyager first runs into the Borg. Or the ones killed by Species 8472. Or the Borg scrap fields they run into.

Mostly it was just that they managed to escape from the Borg more than seemed plausible. The havoc wreaked in Endgame on the other hand doesn't count towards the rest of the series since that episode was silly in so many ways.

 

[Guy Gardener]

One drone drifting in space should have been able to take out a hundred intrepid class starships.

The Borg is a virus. They don't "fight" they "infect" and then like Judo turn your own resources against you until you're alone, and then after that until you're assimilated, and then after that until after every one you've ever known has been assimilated.

Janeways only option ever should have been to run away and pray they think she's not worth bothering about.

 

[Arix]

When exactly did Voyager took out numerous Borg ships at the same time except apart in Endgame when it used highly advanced technology?

Also, Voyager did not spend all of it's original torpedoes halfway through Season 1 ... I think that happened by the end or mid Season 3 ... and as we already established, off-screen resupplying of resources and possible construction of new torpedoes likely took place (they traded enough times even on-screen to theorize they would be smart enough to requisition anti-matter supplies and manufactured parts for torpedoes themsevles, or they simply made them on the go).

Voyager had a smaller crew in contrast to what a Galaxy class had, so it stands to reason there would be fewer family starters.
They weren't exactly under ideal circumstances where raising kids was viable (although, when Kes was still aboard and she experienced time shifting from the future into the past, we have seen at the very least in that future her family grew ... and who knows how many others) and Voyager started with the short-cuts home when Kes left.

If a Galaxy class has more room for resource/food storage, it would be appropriate for the ratio of consumption.
Intrepid class stocked to the full is more than able to cater to all it's crew without a hitch (problem was, the ship was initially launched for a 2 weeks mission and not a deep space exploratory assignment like the Enterprise-D was ... if it was, I'm sure the crew would not face resource issues so fast ... then again, the trip to the DQ damaged a lot of systems which reduced engine efficiency ... I doubt the same thing wouldn't happen to a Galaxy class).

Okay, so I exaggerated slightly about the Borg and the torpedos - honestly, I consider the exact number of Borg ships they took down and when exactly the torpedos would have run out completely irrelevant to the point I was trying to make. Which was that if Voyager was Galaxy-class, it would have survived just the same as if it was an Intrepid class - in fact, as I said, I think it would have had better chances. Being bigger, it would have had more of everything, including torpedos.

As for 'ideal circumstances' for raising kids - no, of course they weren't. But they were also supposed to take about 70 years to get home! The only children born from the original crew were Naomi and Miral, and sure they picked up some Borg children along the way, but think about this realistically for a minute - they didn't know that they'd find those Borg children, and they didn't know it'd only take them 7 years to get home. They should have been planning for the future, which means having enough children along the way who they could raise and train to be a new crew.

And I understand, more crew means more resources to be used, I'm not disputing that. But the OP is asking what would change or be different if Voyager was a Galaxy class, and some posters here have said that a Galaxy wouldn't have survived - which is what I was disputing.

 

[Deks]

No ... the Galaxy would have probably survived, and yes, theoretically if it was a Galaxy class ship and had a full torpedo compliment from the start, then they would have more torpedoes for wasting and potentially quicker, less bloody victories (although, it could have been said the ship was newly launched and without a full torpedo compliment like the Intrepid Voyager).

But as I said, Voyager was launched for a 2 weeks mission at first... I doubt maximum torpedo amount for Intrepid class is 38 given the fact a Defiant can carry well over 45 and it is several times smaller in comparison.
It was probably intentional on the writers part in order to make things more difficult.

 

[Anwar]

Which didn't matter, since UPN promptly told them to drop the arc and serialized aspects of the show for an episodic one where the prior episode's events wouldn't have any bearing (all the better for UPN to tell the show into out-of-order syndication).

 

[Guy Gardener]

What about the tricobolt device?

Arguable despite both being type X phasers, one starship is capable of pumping a lot more power into it's phaser emitters than the other. Enterprise never fired much because one would think because comparing it's phasers to an Intrepid class ship is like comparing a tank round firing off to machine gun fire...

Without a tricobolt device to destroy the Array, would EVEN a galaxy class ship's phaser array have been powerful enough to do the job? And what the fuck was Banjoman's shanty built out of that regular photon torpedoes had little effect on it's unshielded exterior?

I've often suspected that janeways mission was never to take Chakotay alive, why else use a stealth ship beared down with an atypypical overclocked weapon of massdestruction? Voyager didn't have the resources to keep more than a dozen prisoners, when they got to Chakotay's maquis base, there might have been other cells aor vessels visiting meaning that there were thousdands of maquis which she had no ability whatsoever to secure. Surely using a galxy class ship would mean that they were planning on taking prisoners and they were not going to blow up Chakotays base of operations and how many other thousands of other maquis were vacationing there.

Galaxy class means no tricobolt device.

 

[tvih]

Deks: Well, on the other hand Defiant is primarily a combat ship, which the Voyager isn't. But of course 38 still does seem a small number.

I'm curious however as to how these torpedoes are supposedly made. Is it really such a difficult process to not be able to be done on Voyager, if they can even build shuttles? And I imagine that at least a Galaxy class could manufacture its own replacement torpedoes since they're designed for long missions and could run out while far away from resupply locations.

 

[exodus]

Deks: Well, on the other hand Defiant is primarily a combat ship, which the Voyager isn't. B

Tom Paris states in an ep. that Voyager is "designed for combat."

 

[C.E. Evans]

What about the tricobolt device?

Without a tricobolt device to destroy the Array, would EVEN a galaxy class ship's phaser array have been powerful enough to do the job?

Galaxy class means no tricobolt device.

To be fair, tricobalt devices have been around since TOS. Their usage in "Caretaker" was actually a nod towards "A Taste of Armageddon," where they were first mentioned.

 

[Deks]

Deks: Well, on the other hand Defiant is primarily a combat ship, which the Voyager isn't. But of course 38 still does seem a small number.

Pardon me, but I never said anything like that (unless you were directing a comment to me).
Here is what I said (taken from page 2):

Although with the Intrepid being 15 decks high and with a decent internal volume, it probably has the ability to store much more than mere 38 torpedoes (the Defiant was far smaller and it carried over 45 quantum torpedoes).

The Defiant being primarily a combat ship can contribute to a good torpedo count, but it's internal volume and overall size cannot compete with Voyager (because the Intrepid class is larger in that regard, and built with combat in mind as Exodus pointed out with Paris's quote - which I remember clearly).
Also, how many times do I have to mention the fact that Voyager was initially launched with a 2 weeks mission in mind to retrieve a small Maqui raider?
That explains the low torpedo compliment, along with resource issues the crew experienced (both of which was the point on the writers end to make things harder for the ship).
I find it absurd that a vessel like the Intrepid which is essentially a downsized Galaxy class and built for combat, to be able to carry only a mere 38 torpedoes.

 

[Withers]

There, after eight pages of relatively dry discussion, a more interesting proposition finally shows up; since Intrepid Class is essentially Galaxy-lite with some upgrades the difference between the two is sort of hard to imagine as it relates to the journey Voyager took. I can't imagine one as opposed to the other really changing anything significant that happened.

Now, had Voyager been a Defiant class vessel- there's something that seems more likely to be a game changer.

-Withers-​

 

[exodus]

Deks: Well, on the other hand Defiant is primarily a combat ship, which the Voyager isn't. But of course 38 still does seem a small number.

Pardon me, but I never said anything of the sort.
Here is what I said (taken from page 2):

Although with the Intrepid being 15 decks high and with a decent internal volume, it probably has the ability to store much more than mere 38 torpedoes (the Defiant was far smaller and it carried over 45 quantum torpedoes).

The Defiant being primarily a combat ship can contribute to a good torpedo count, but it's internal volume and overall size cannot compete with Voyager (because the Intrepid class is larger in that regard, and built with combat in mind as Exodus pointed out with Paris's quote - which I remember clearly).
Also, how many times do I have to mention the fact that Voyager was initially launched with a 2 weeks mission in mind to retrieve a small Maqui raider?
That explains the low torpedo compliment, along with resource issues the crew experienced (both of which was the point on the writers end to make things harder for the ship).
I find it absurd that a vessel like the Intrepid which is essentially a downsized Galaxy class and built for combat, to be able to carry only a mere 38 torpedoes.

Too add to this, I think we should also take into account Voyager is mostly cargo space. Which could easily store components to create more torpedos besides just in the replicators. So it's easy for Voyager to stock more than just 38 torpedos. Not to mention, both Be'Lanna, Harry & Tuvok have shown knowledge of how to build & program them as well from eps. like "Dreadnaut" & "Warhead". Combine the fact that replicators are just recycling machines, so transporting debris to the replicators can create the materials to build more torpedos.

This is how shuttles are built and the ship gets repaired.
As long as the replicators & transporters work, Voyager can sustain itself.

 

[Guy Gardener]

If Voyager had been a defiant class, then Neelix wouldn't have had a bath, and wouldn't have stayed after he had duped the captain into rescuing his girlfriend. Powerful starship is one thing, luxurious and powerful starship is an other.

 

[Withers]

Well, the exclusion of Neelix is all the reason I need to say that Voyager would have been better off a Defiant class.

Case closed.

-Withers-​

 

[exodus]

If Voyager had been a defiant class, then Neelix wouldn't have had a bath, and wouldn't have stayed after he had duped the captain into rescuing his girlfriend. Powerful starship is one thing, luxurious and powerful starship is an other.

..and also no EMH.

The Defiant has no sickbay too.

 

[Withers]

Assuming the real Doctor (or any member of the medical staff really) survived what the hell would they need an EMH for? And I'm sure after the original Defiant they included sickbays since in later episodes we see Odo in one on board The Defiant.

-Withers-​

 

[Deks]

If Voyager had been a defiant class, then Neelix wouldn't have had a bath, and wouldn't have stayed after he had duped the captain into rescuing his girlfriend. Powerful starship is one thing, luxurious and powerful starship is an other.

..and also no EMH.

The Defiant has no sickbay too.

I think it DID have a sickbay.
It was much smaller (and shown on-screen a few times), but there.
No EMH was shown, true.

There would be no holodecks.
Oh, and I think the ship would encounter some heavy issues replacing those pulse phaser batteries (or, whatever it was they were).

 

[exodus]

Assuming the real Doctor (or any member of the medical staff really) survived what the hell would they need an EMH for? And I'm sure after the original Defiant they included sickbays since in later episodes we see Odo in one on board The Defiant.

-Withers-​

..because in battle there's no gaurantee the Doctor won't be killed, so a back up like a EMH is smart foreward thinking. Remember DS9's "Starship Down"? This is also why on Voyager the holodeck is an untouchable source of power. Just in case the rest of the ship is powerless, the EMH will still function.


Deks: Remember in "The Search", Bashir said the Defiant has no sickbay. So he had to convert a room or cargo bay into one.

 

[Withers]

Oh, and I think the ship would encounter some heavy issues replacing those pulse phaser batteries (or, whatever it was they were).

That's legitimate. Defiant did seem to go through... whatever those were pretty rapidly. As for the EMH? Meh. What if the entire command crew was killed? Or just everyone in Engineering? They didn't have a "back up" for those things and Voyager just so happened to have a replacement for the one thing they did lose (the entire medical staff.) It's just as likely everyone in any of those other departments would be killed off so not have a holographic replacement doesn't seem shortsighted to me... just the builders of the ship not anticipating large swaths of the crew to be killed off at once.

-Withers-​