If they are in the mirror universe they wouldn't be geographically lost?

[ace2542]

Because everything would be at the same co-ordinates it just the starbase wouldn't be there because the Federation doesn't exist the empire does as established in through a mirror darkly. Or the empire would have the same starbase.

So it is more likely they are lost in the delta quadrant the gamma quadrant or even in another galaxy.

 

[Paul Weaver]

Looking forward to the Kazon cropping up in January!

 

[Tuskin38]

The ship debris was Klingon

 

[ace2542]

The ship debris was Klingon

Was it? They said is it Klingon not it is kli

The ship debris was Klingon

Was it though? Lorca said IS THAT Klingon debris. He asked a question he didn't make a sweeping statement of fact. The debris looked Cardassian or Kazon/Trabe to my eyes. The size of the debris field indicated a large ship was destroyed larger than discovery

 

[XCV330]

Even if whatever beacons used to navigate in star trek, or whatever they use, there would still be certain constants like pulsars that could be used ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray_pulsar-based_navigation ) to get a bearing. Mirror universe, Kelvinverse, and Prime are not all that different from each other that the pulsars would not be where they'd be expected to be found. I speculate they are REALLY somewhere beyond normal, but I probably will be wrong.

 

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

Lorca said IS THAT Klingon debris. He asked a question he didn't make a sweeping statement of fact. The debris looked Cardassian or Kazon/Trabe to my eyes.

Given that the Klingon stuff in this series looks almost nothing like any Klingon stuff we've ever seen before, all bets are off as to what the Cardies' or anyone else's ships look like.

 

[ace2542]

Even if whatever beacons used to navigate in star trek, or whatever they use, there would still be certain constants like pulsars that could be used ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray_pulsar-based_navigation ) to get a bearing. Mirror universe, Kelvinverse, and Prime are not all that different from each other that the pulsars would not be where they'd be expected to be found. I speculate they are REALLY somewhere beyond normal, but I probably will be wrong.

Of course we all want the borg to show up. But I suspect they are in the gamma quadrant and they either start a chain of events leading the founders going out in the galaxy or the launch of the 22nd survey probe that Sisko referenced in the pilot ep of DS9.

 

[Jinn]

Of course we all want the borg to show up.

I'm just fine without any Borg stories. They've been pretty meh after TNG to be honest.

 

[zar]

If they're in another quadrant of the same galaxy, they should still be able to know that. It was an "incomplete navigation sequence", so I assume they're hanging in subspace or the spore drive equivalent. Maybe in episode 10 they will "complete" the navigation into whatever universe and discover their relative location, but right now they're in some kind of inbetweenspace where traditional navigation doesn't work.

Of course we all want the borg to show up.

I really need to stop missing these meetings.

 

[XCV330]

Of course we all want the borg to show up. But I suspect they are in the gamma quadrant and they either start a chain of events leading the founders going out in the galaxy or the launch of the 22nd survey probe that Sisko referenced in the pilot ep of DS9.

I would be happy if I never saw a Borg episode again. They were overused and lost any ability to be threatening.

 

[The Wormhole]

Because everything would be at the same co-ordinates it just the starbase wouldn't be there because the Federation doesn't exist the empire does as established in through a mirror darkly. Or the empire would have the same starbase.

The whole point is their sensors are down, meaning they can't make any determination about where they are other than an area of space with debris. Without sensors to verify their location, they don't know much more than that.

So it is more likely they are lost in the delta quadrant the gamma quadrant or even in another galaxy.

Even if we take a moment to entertain your notion that they are indeed in another location of the galaxy, there's still plenty of Alpha and Beta Quadrants which will remain uncharted even in the late 24th century. I'd tell you not to jump to unfounded conclusions, except that's pretty much what this entire thread is.

 

[ace2542]

If they're in another quadrant of the same galaxy, they should still be able to know that. It was an "incomplete navigation sequence", so I assume they're hanging in subspace or the spore drive equivalent. Maybe in episode 10 they will "complete" the navigation into whatever universe and discover their relative location, but right now they're in some kind of inbetweenspace where traditional navigation doesn't work.


I really need to stop missing these meetings.

But that is assuming the discovery has the ability to map the entire galaxy.

 

[XCV330]

But that is assuming the discovery has the ability to map the entire galaxy.

You don't have to map an entire galaxy to get some idea of where you are. Pulsars are very strong sources of x-rays at extremely long distances. Their rate of pulse is at least as accurate as an atomic clock, and each one is different, so that it is possible to get a bearing on where you are in the universe by knowing where the pulsars are. We don't use this technique yet because we have not actually gone anywhere, but the concept is not complicated.

 

[ace2542]

You don't have to map an entire galaxy to get some idea of where you are. Pulsars are very strong sources of x-rays at extremely long distances. Their rate of pulse is at least as accurate as an atomic clock, and each one is different, so that it is possible to get a bearing on where you are in the universe by knowing where the pulsars are. We don't use this technique yet because we have not actually gone anywhere, but the concept is not complicated.

I don't have a scientific mind to be honest. We shall see

 

[zar]

The whole point is their sensors are down, meaning they can't make any determination about where they are other than an area of space with debris. Without sensors to verify their location, they don't know much more than that.

I don't think the sensors were down. They were confused.

 

[The Wormhole]

I don't have a scientific mind to be honest.

This is obvious.

I don't think the sensors were down. They were confused.

I thought someone actually did say "sensors are down"?

 

[ace2542]

This is obvious.

I thought someone actually did say "sensors are down"?

I will watch it again. What was the very last word when you see an image of a nebula or planet and then the trailer runs for next year.

 

[zar]

I thought someone actually did say "sensors are down"?

"Haywire":

I'm unable to confirm our position using standard procedures. Sensors are going haywire.

Shortly before that there was a damage report of only structural damage. So it seems the sensors are working, but the readings make no sense.

 

[ace2542]

So the computer can lock onto their position. It sounds like discovery has traveled beyond the boundry of known space so they could be in another galaxy. Or they may have traveled through time.

So the computer can not lock onto their position. It sounds like Discovery has traveled beyond the boundaries of known space so they could be in another galaxy. Or they may have traveled through time.

 

[Paul Weaver]

"Haywire":

I'm unable to confirm our position using standard procedures. Sensors are going haywire.

Shortly before that there was a damage report of only structural damage. So it seems the sensors are working, but the readings make no sense.

If a ship has jumped even 10k light years I'd expect the sensors to take time to re-lock on any navigational beacons (i.e. pulsars), especially that you'd have to account for apparent stelar drift because pulsars appear to be in different locations.