The Rise of the Federation books discuss how the Deltan celibacy rule came into effect among several thousand other large and small details like reconciling all the Rigel Details.
Christopher Bennett even annotates them on his website.
Poll If they admitted it wasn't PRIME?
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The Rise of the Federation books discuss how the Deltan celibacy rule came into effect among several thousand other large and small details like reconciling all the Rigel Details.
Christopher Bennett even annotates them on his website.
The only thing driving me nuts is how incredibly bland most of it is.
Well, no. They did it because they were forced to by higher ups at UPN who demanded there be time travel. Which is very much why it doesn't seem like anyone had their hands on the wheels for most of the TCW "arc." B&B really didn't care about preserving continuity with TOS, that much is pretty clearly verified by the way they wanted to handle the starship design.
They clearly did, since they so carefully followed it. Enterprise is not a prequel to TOS. It's a prequel to all the series, and a sequel to First Contact. It doesn't take place in the TOS era.
Shuffling around a few technologies does little more than affect a few lines in a few episodes. The Klingons having cloaking technology is no big deal. If the Federation had it, it would significantly undermine many episodes.
The Klingons having it while fighting the Federation ten years prior does affect "Balance of Terror".
So? I might have to squint through a line or two, but Balance of Terror still stands as a great episode.
But it makes Spock an idiot. He served during a war where the enemy was using cloaking technology, yet calls it theoretical a decade later.
I don't need to be that rigid. The episode has great dialogue and narrative despite the episodes that came after it.
Again, it's not an absolute, either/or thing. It's a sliding scale as to how rigid you want to be about this stuff. To my mind, there are degrees of "Prime-ness."
It's kinda of like comic-book continuity. When I was a kid, Tony Stark was injured in Viet Nam and Peter Parker cracked jokes about Richard Nixon. Now Stark was injured in the Middle East somewhere and Peter Parker cracks jokes about Trump or whomever. It's the same universe, the same continuity, but you just quietly overlook the fact that fifty-plus years have passed in real time . . . and that the fashions and topical references somehow stay current.
You kinda have to meet the stories halfway sometimes, especially when you're dealing with a venerable decades-old franchise.
It's kinda of like comic-book continuity. When I was a kid, Tony Stark was injured in Viet Nam and Peter Parker cracked jokes about Richard Nixon. Now Stark was injured in the Middle East somewhere and Peter Parker cracks jokes about Trump or whomever. It's the same universe, the same continuity, but you just quietly overlook the fact that fifty-plus years have passed in real time . . . and that the fashions and topical references somehow stay current.
You kinda have to meet the stories halfway sometimes, especially when you're dealing with a venerable decades-old franchise.
So Tony isn't in his 80's and Peter isn't in his 60's? Weird.
I think that Marvel is trying hard to forget they sold Fantastic Four to Fox.And let's not think about the fact that the Fantastic Four were trying to beat "the Russkies" to the moon.
They clearly did not, becaues they said as much during interviews that they had no intention of holding true to the continuity of TOS. You're trying to shift the goal posts now. Yes, it is a prequel to all of Star Trek, particularly Berman's run on TNG. I never said it took place in the TOS era. TOS is the next time we see the Star Trek universe from the time Enterprise was produced.
BTW, the novels are ALREADY handling this mugatto shit like I knew they would.
http://trekcore.com/blog/2017/09/interview-david-mack-star-trek-discovery-desperate-hours/
MACK: Once I began in earnest to develop the story that Bryan Fuller had asked for, I struggled at first to think of a situation that would be so dire as to merit the involvement of two Starfleet vessels, especially when one of them was the Enterprise.
I didn’t want to let the Enterprise and its crew overshadow the book’s main cast on the Shenzhou. I shared this conundrum with fellow author John Jackson Miller, and he gave me some good advice. “Pit the two crews against each other,” he said, “and have them both be right.” Once I did that, the shape of the story revealed itself, and it came together very naturally.
The chief concern I had in placing the crews and ships side-by-side in my narrative was that I knew it would invite questions and comparisons. In particular, folks would ask why the technology of an older ship looks more advanced than that of a newer ship. And why did the crews wear different uniforms? I didn’t want to offend fans of the new show or fans of the Original Series, so I knew I couldn’t just pretend that the Enterprise looked like the Shenzhou, or that its crew wore the same uniforms as the ones we see in Discovery.
I addressed the difference in the ships’ aesthetics to a human tendency to want to redesign even the simplest things every few years, whether we need to or not. This confuses Earth’s closest allies, the Vulcans and the Andorians, who can’t understand why humans don’t just pick a style and stick with it. But that’s just the way humans are — always changing fashions, styles, etc.
Captain Pike and the USS Enterprise crew, as seen in “The Cage.”
The differences in technology posed a different hurdle. I posited that the use of subspace holograms had fallen out of favor by the time the Enterprise was built because the holograms were bandwidth hogs on subspace channels and prone to encryption flaws. And while the interfaces on the Shenzhou’s bridge look fancier, the characters who serve on the Enterprise feel proud that their ship is so advanced that it doesn’t need all these gadgets to get the job done.
I have a moment near the end of the book when the Shenzhou lands what the crew thinks is a solid hit on the enemy — and then they watch a phaser beam from the Enterprise’s state-of-the-art weapons carve off part of the enemy’s hull. And the Shenzhou crew is just flabbergasted and in awe. In that moment we see their respect and reverence for the majesty of a Constitution-class starship.
As far as the differences in the crews’ uniforms, there is ample precedent in real life for a military service having multiple approved duty uniforms at any given time, and sometimes special uniforms for elite units, etc. So my retcon for the difference in the uniforms is that most of Starfleet is wearing the “utility blue” jumpsuits of the Shenzhou crew.
But the crews of the Enterprise and other Constitution-class ships are considered elite units, so they’ve been issued special “diplomatic” uniforms to designate their status. What I like about my solution is that it explains the apparent discrepancy while showing proper reverence for the Original Series.
http://trekcore.com/blog/2017/09/interview-david-mack-star-trek-discovery-desperate-hours/
MACK: Once I began in earnest to develop the story that Bryan Fuller had asked for, I struggled at first to think of a situation that would be so dire as to merit the involvement of two Starfleet vessels, especially when one of them was the Enterprise.
I didn’t want to let the Enterprise and its crew overshadow the book’s main cast on the Shenzhou. I shared this conundrum with fellow author John Jackson Miller, and he gave me some good advice. “Pit the two crews against each other,” he said, “and have them both be right.” Once I did that, the shape of the story revealed itself, and it came together very naturally.
The chief concern I had in placing the crews and ships side-by-side in my narrative was that I knew it would invite questions and comparisons. In particular, folks would ask why the technology of an older ship looks more advanced than that of a newer ship. And why did the crews wear different uniforms? I didn’t want to offend fans of the new show or fans of the Original Series, so I knew I couldn’t just pretend that the Enterprise looked like the Shenzhou, or that its crew wore the same uniforms as the ones we see in Discovery.
I addressed the difference in the ships’ aesthetics to a human tendency to want to redesign even the simplest things every few years, whether we need to or not. This confuses Earth’s closest allies, the Vulcans and the Andorians, who can’t understand why humans don’t just pick a style and stick with it. But that’s just the way humans are — always changing fashions, styles, etc.
Captain Pike and the USS Enterprise crew, as seen in “The Cage.”
The differences in technology posed a different hurdle. I posited that the use of subspace holograms had fallen out of favor by the time the Enterprise was built because the holograms were bandwidth hogs on subspace channels and prone to encryption flaws. And while the interfaces on the Shenzhou’s bridge look fancier, the characters who serve on the Enterprise feel proud that their ship is so advanced that it doesn’t need all these gadgets to get the job done.
I have a moment near the end of the book when the Shenzhou lands what the crew thinks is a solid hit on the enemy — and then they watch a phaser beam from the Enterprise’s state-of-the-art weapons carve off part of the enemy’s hull. And the Shenzhou crew is just flabbergasted and in awe. In that moment we see their respect and reverence for the majesty of a Constitution-class starship.
As far as the differences in the crews’ uniforms, there is ample precedent in real life for a military service having multiple approved duty uniforms at any given time, and sometimes special uniforms for elite units, etc. So my retcon for the difference in the uniforms is that most of Starfleet is wearing the “utility blue” jumpsuits of the Shenzhou crew.
But the crews of the Enterprise and other Constitution-class ships are considered elite units, so they’ve been issued special “diplomatic” uniforms to designate their status. What I like about my solution is that it explains the apparent discrepancy while showing proper reverence for the Original Series.
BTW, the novels are ALREADY handling this mugatto shit like I knew they would.
http://trekcore.com/blog/2017/09/interview-david-mack-star-trek-discovery-desperate-hours/
MACK: Once I began in earnest to develop the story that Bryan Fuller had asked for, I struggled at first to think of a situation that would be so dire as to merit the involvement of two Starfleet vessels, especially when one of them was the Enterprise.
I didn’t want to let the Enterprise and its crew overshadow the book’s main cast on the Shenzhou. I shared this conundrum with fellow author John Jackson Miller, and he gave me some good advice. “Pit the two crews against each other,” he said, “and have them both be right.” Once I did that, the shape of the story revealed itself, and it came together very naturally.
The chief concern I had in placing the crews and ships side-by-side in my narrative was that I knew it would invite questions and comparisons. In particular, folks would ask why the technology of an older ship looks more advanced than that of a newer ship. And why did the crews wear different uniforms? I didn’t want to offend fans of the new show or fans of the Original Series, so I knew I couldn’t just pretend that the Enterprise looked like the Shenzhou, or that its crew wore the same uniforms as the ones we see in Discovery.
I addressed the difference in the ships’ aesthetics to a human tendency to want to redesign even the simplest things every few years, whether we need to or not. This confuses Earth’s closest allies, the Vulcans and the Andorians, who can’t understand why humans don’t just pick a style and stick with it. But that’s just the way humans are — always changing fashions, styles, etc.
Captain Pike and the USS Enterprise crew, as seen in “The Cage.”
The differences in technology posed a different hurdle. I posited that the use of subspace holograms had fallen out of favor by the time the Enterprise was built because the holograms were bandwidth hogs on subspace channels and prone to encryption flaws. And while the interfaces on the Shenzhou’s bridge look fancier, the characters who serve on the Enterprise feel proud that their ship is so advanced that it doesn’t need all these gadgets to get the job done.
I have a moment near the end of the book when the Shenzhou lands what the crew thinks is a solid hit on the enemy — and then they watch a phaser beam from the Enterprise’s state-of-the-art weapons carve off part of the enemy’s hull. And the Shenzhou crew is just flabbergasted and in awe. In that moment we see their respect and reverence for the majesty of a Constitution-class starship.
As far as the differences in the crews’ uniforms, there is ample precedent in real life for a military service having multiple approved duty uniforms at any given time, and sometimes special uniforms for elite units, etc. So my retcon for the difference in the uniforms is that most of Starfleet is wearing the “utility blue” jumpsuits of the Shenzhou crew.
But the crews of the Enterprise and other Constitution-class ships are considered elite units, so they’ve been issued special “diplomatic” uniforms to designate their status. What I like about my solution is that it explains the apparent discrepancy while showing proper reverence for the Original Series.
Perhaps the utility jumpsuit / bathrobe we see various crewmembers wearing in TOS (starbases, transporter techs, etc...) is an evolution of the Discovery "utility blue".
This also means that, when we inevitably encounter a Connie, the crew will be wearing the classic (Cage) uniform, which I believe were left out for display during the media studio tour?
