If they said it wasn't Prime from the beginning (and not connected with the NuTrek universe) then I'd happily watch it. There are just too many glaring inconsistencies for my OCD to handle.
Poll If they admitted it wasn't PRIME?
- Thread starter F. King Daniel
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It's an argument that already has passed hasn't it? That's part of why they did the Temporal Cold War in Enterprise, to explain away why everything was different.
Boy. Punctuation!
I would love if the only time we visited the Prime Universe was in Trek novels. Let it go....
Am I missing the point here in reading his position as simply being that it doesn't matter?
I think his point is "Even though they say it's Prime, I don't believe it is and neither should you."
So, I'm back here with my first post in, gosh, eight years or so... just to say that whatever the reason was for them doing this as a prequel, I had better find out very soon where they're going with this and why they keep adding more and more continuity issues. I like the show in general, but I feel it's held back so enormously by them declaring it Prime canon at this point in the timeline, but then apparently not adhering to the period's visual style nor many of its narrative characteristics. I mean, there's now a holodeck in the 23rd century? (Still a minor one among the many issues.) Why on Earth couldn't this have been a 25th century sequel? In that case, I would have zero questions and would enjoy the heck out of this show. But as is, all I can think of is: When's the reset button coming on all this advanced tech? When are they finally going to change out of their butt-ugly 70s disco outfits and wear the classic red/gold/blue? When will we get a good explanation for why Michael's foster dad had to be Sarek?
That show, man: so exciting and so frustrating!
That show, man: so exciting and so frustrating!
I joined up to try and discuss and understand these issues. So far every time I answer or reply to a thread I get accused of being a newbie hater. I am enjoying now this thread, and the fact that such established members are also finding inconsistency in what the show is presenting and what the writers and producers are proclaiming.
I truly hope this all just gets cleaned up ASAP.
Sorry. You are getting caught up in long standing debates about the nature of the franchise that won't soon abate.
Pretty much my reaction to Discovery so far in a nutshell.
Can you complain about any of this without complaining about ENT?
This ship she has gone to warp (i.e. sailed)
Borg
Ferengi
Holodecks
The fact the "tech" looks more advanced than TOS
The same stuff all in this show.
CLOAKING DEVICE!
HOLODECK
But they didn't call it that so it's okay... Just like the Ferengi and the Borg were in ENT
Seriously guys it's a reboot.
The Borg was not a violation of canon, it completed the circuit in the story by acting as a prequel to TNG's "Q Who" and a sequel to "First Contact".
Holodecks, well I remember seeing it once from that random species back in season one & it was more of a basic VR simulation than anything we saw in TNG + ENT did not get the tech.
The Ferengi one was stupid, I will grant you that.
Manny Coto manage to fix the Romulan cloaking issue but the Klingon's having it was a HUGE cannon violation. Phase Cannons & Phase Pistols were stupid too when the more basic pulse versions from the pilot would of been better. Also Photonic Torpedoes replacing Spacial torpedoes was daft too.
PS - I like ENT.
Holodecks, well I remember seeing it once from that random species back in season one & it was more of a basic VR simulation than anything we saw in TNG + ENT did not get the tech.
The Ferengi one was stupid, I will grant you that.
Manny Coto manage to fix the Romulan cloaking issue but the Klingon's having it was a HUGE cannon violation. Phase Cannons & Phase Pistols were stupid too when the more basic pulse versions from the pilot would of been better. Also Photonic Torpedoes replacing Spacial torpedoes was daft too.
PS - I like ENT.
It's not a reboot.
Why?
Because they clearly are stating it's in the same time universe and going out on a limb to link it with multiple references every new episode since Episode 3. It's just not beholden to the style of a show over 30 years old and doesn't sweat the details.
And it's driving fans nuts.
Because, yes, said fans are Trekkies. Eventually, someone in the novels will have a random character say this because those who buy the novels are uber-Trekkies.
"Wow, did you notice the Constitution-class looks nothing like our ship?"
"Yes, it is designed in the Tellarite minimalist style."
"Fascinating. Did you hear Starfleet banned the use of holodecks?"
"Yes, shocking. They also are banning the use of holographic communication technology since it's all manufactured on Cygnus Rigel X and they're a military dictatorship."
"It'll be a century before they can redevelop it."
"Mm hmm. Oh and we've dissected the Klingons and discovered they suffer a version of the Klingon Augment virus which makes them LESS human looking."
"Weird."
Why?
Because they clearly are stating it's in the same time universe and going out on a limb to link it with multiple references every new episode since Episode 3. It's just not beholden to the style of a show over 30 years old and doesn't sweat the details.
And it's driving fans nuts.
Because, yes, said fans are Trekkies. Eventually, someone in the novels will have a random character say this because those who buy the novels are uber-Trekkies.
"Wow, did you notice the Constitution-class looks nothing like our ship?"
"Yes, it is designed in the Tellarite minimalist style."
"Fascinating. Did you hear Starfleet banned the use of holodecks?"
"Yes, shocking. They also are banning the use of holographic communication technology since it's all manufactured on Cygnus Rigel X and they're a military dictatorship."
"It'll be a century before they can redevelop it."
"Mm hmm. Oh and we've dissected the Klingons and discovered they suffer a version of the Klingon Augment virus which makes them LESS human looking."
"Weird."
Did someone say cannon?
There were no holodecks on Enterprise, unless you're referring to pebble sex on xyrillian ships.
Ferengi are a species that come from a planet just a hop, skip, and a jump away from earth. Ferengi pirates are a thing too.
And those two Borgggz came from earth.
There were no holodecks on Enterprise, unless you're referring to pebble sex on xyrillian ships.
Ferengi are a species that come from a planet just a hop, skip, and a jump away from earth. Ferengi pirates are a thing too.
And those two Borgggz came from earth.
@King Daniel Paid CBS Plant CBS should've had you add a 3rd option to your poll for those of us who would be ecstatic if they admitted this wasn't the prime universe. i chose don't care, but i do care. i want it to not be prime.
Gosh, I really hate that stuff. At least they didn't make a $200,000,000.oo movie explaining how 2 proton torpedoes can blow up a space station.
Now, are there books like that for Enterprise? I doubt there'd be much to try and explain. It's so far removed from everything else.
