If the Doc can do it, why not Missy-Master?

[starsuperion]

Okay so we've all seen the Doctor cross his own time streams, and assist himself in battles, but why is it with the ultimate rules breaker, the Master, we never get a duo of them together wreaking havock and the Ole Doc having to battle two of them? Wouldn't a Christmas special called the two Masters, or even bring back Yana and call it the triumvirate of Evil be spectacular to see Capaldi have to outwit all three current incarnations of Masters and Missy all at once? Would make for a fitting end to the 9th season featuring the new bats gone belfry Misstress, and would also be a marked first in Doctor who..

What say you?

On the professor Yana front, once he got into the Tardis, whose to say some timey wimey adventure didn't occur in between his leaving the end of the universe and his regeneration into the younger master he later became. Like in the 50th, the Doctor's had no memory of these events saving Gallifrey cause the time streams were out of sync. Same reason could be applied to a Masters special. Why not? Someone send this on to all the other whovian blogs and let's lobby the Moff to make it happen...

Just imagine the interplay between all of them! Intriguing. .

 

[Allyn Gibson]

I don't know what a multi-Master story looks like, but I wouldn't be opposed to a multi-Master story and I'd like to see what it would be. There isn't any reason we couldn't have John Simm and Michele Gomez chewing scenery together. (I don't know if any of Big Finish's Masters do television, but if they do, bring one of them in, too.)

 

[Starkers]

Much as I'd love to see Derek Jacobi again he regenerated before leaving Utopia

 

[DWF]

Michelle Gomez, John Simm and Eric Roberts together? You won't need the Doctor then, they'd all defeat themselves none of them would trust the other and their
"master" plans would all fail.

 

[Worf2DS9]

Yeah, I don't see how Yana-Master could return, but a multi-Master episode would be great. Maybe they could get Eric Roberts back instead.

 

[The Four Doctor]

Pah, all the other characters would want to eat Eric Roberts ala "South Park"

 

[Doctorwhovian]

The Delgado and Ainley Master team up in Otaking's fan animation which you can probably find on Youtube. Of course it's entirely composed of old audio clips but still kind of fun.


I don't think it's happened in any of the media though. Delgado and Ainley the most prominent original Masters have passed, Pratt has too but the incarnation he originated was still played by Beevers who plays the Master in a lot of the audios. There's also a Master in the Paul Mcgann audios played by Alex Mcqueen who is in between Roberts and Jacobi, who got a new set of regenerations, and presumabely was the incarnation that fought in the Time War, got scared and hid himself by regenerating into "Yana"/Jacobi and using the arch.

I'm not sure if Roberts would return, not sure what his attitude is toward the series and the part (He did appear I think for some interviews though).

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Michelle Gomez, John Simm and Eric Roberts together? You won't need the Doctor then, they'd all defeat themselves none of them would trust the other and their
"master" plans would all fail.

That's probably true...the Master may be so arrogant as to refuse to even work with his own SELF.

 

[DWF]

The Delgado and Ainley Master team up in Otaking's fan animation which you can probably find on Youtube. Of course it's entirely composed of old audio clips but still kind of fun.


I don't think it's happened in any of the media though. Delgado and Ainley the most prominent original Masters have passed, Pratt has too but the incarnation he originated was still played by Beevers who plays the Master in a lot of the audios. There's also a Master in the Paul Mcgann audios played by Alex Mcqueen who is in between Roberts and Jacobi, who got a new set of regenerations, and presumabely was the incarnation that fought in the Time War, got scared and hid himself by regenerating into "Yana"/Jacobi and using the arch.

I'm not sure if Roberts would return, not sure what his attitude is toward the series and the part (He did appear I think for some interviews though).

Eric Roberts was something of a fan of the show, he watched it in the '70s when he was at RADA. He was far more familar with the show than Daphne Ashbrook was and I think both of them have continued to appear at conventions.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

If Roberts had played the Master like he played Blackjack Britton in the TV western 'Purgatory,' that would have been truly epic.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UemkK-5aKwo[/yt]

 

[The Wormhole]

This is the first time there have been two recurring actors to have played the Master alive. While there have been many one-offs over the years, two recurring Masters have never co-existed in the real world. Roger Delgado was dead before Anthony Ainley was cast, who himself was dead before John Simm was cast.

While a team up between Simm and Michelle Gomez would be awesome, and indeed I'll be surprised if it never happens in some form or another, I'm not really sure it it's possible to bring any others back. The Eric Roberts incarnation had a very limited lifespan which is covered in the TV movie, while the Master who fought in the Time War was either a younger Derek Jacobi or possibly even another incarnation. Likewise, the Derek Jacobi incarnation likely spent decades, if not his entire existence as Professor Yana.

I guess they could always try casting another actor as the Deadly Assassin incarnation, that one has already been played by two actors, and it's not like they have to find a clone of an actor from the 70s for the role. Otherwise, unless they want to make things a sort of "Day of the Master" and reveal a Master who was actually a good guy (the Peace Master/the Pacifist?), I'm not sure what else could be done for a team up.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Geoffrey Beevers is alive, and so is Jonathan Price.

In The Light at the End, an audio story by Big Finish starring 5 different Doctors (4 - 8.) the rotting Face Master (Geoffty Beevers) crossed his time Stream to contend with an older Nyssa hanging out with 5. They really didn't get as sickly involved as I would have hoped since this was a version of the Master from before he dstroyed the Traken Union, but Nyssa is too decent to take advantage of a frayed line from he web of time like that, if given the opportunity anyways.

The Master during the Trial of a Time Lord says that he routinely fights the Valeyard accross time and space, so what that Master really in sync with Sixy? And Sixy at which point in his development?

Is anyone turned on by the thought of Alexandra Moen and Michelle Gomez making out?

No.

I didn't htink so.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Yeah, I don't see how Yana-Master could return....

Unless they could get someone to play a younger (Yana) version prior to him using the fob watch.

Of course, it would be a Time-War™ version of the Master.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Doctor would have recognized the younger Master from the Time War.

It's unlikely they wouldn't have met.

When the Master turned into slime in the movie.

I get the feeling that any dissected/extracted portion of that mass could equally been the Master, whether it was one bucket taking over an EMT, or two hundred table spoons taking over 200 other people. he was more of a macrovirus than a jellyfish with anatomy and a brain.

1. Maybe there was more than one Master in the movie? The one we focussed on confronted the Doctor, the others we didn't know about considered less suicidal options.

2. Someone from "now" goes back to get a cup full of Master, and use it to create a parallel Master to the movie who believes that he's just been executed by the Daleks... Has any one figured out how that makes sense yet anyways? Did the Daleks become Goodies? Well, they did become goodies when they locked up the Doctor in the Pandorica. United most of the Universe in a singular cause.

G'kar swore that only humans could do that.

 

[Lance]

(I don't know if any of Big Finish's Masters do television, but if they do, bring one of them in, too.)

Geoffrey Beevers, who usually plays the Master in the Big Finish audios, first played the role in the 1980s TV story "The Keeper Of Traken". So, he most certainly has previous experience.

 

[Green Lantern]

Multi-Master story? Why on Earth haven't I ever thought of that before, it seems like the sort of thing I'd think up.

But yeah, I think it'd be a marvellous idea, maybe even have an actor fill in the Tremas Master or the Deadly Assasain Master, that could be pretty cool. The Three Masters or The Day of the Master would in my opinion be the best titles.

 

[Doctorwhovian]

BTW it's never been established in the show to my knowledge that the Delgado master was the same/last incarnation who became the Pratt/Beevers incarnation. That's more of a fanon/WHO EU thing. There's even some fan theories out there that the Pratt/Beevers master is actually the post-TV movie Roberts incarnation, who was already decaying a bit ("This body won't last long", the skin flicking etc.). Some of the audios also have the Beevers incarnation post-Ainley, explaining that the Tremas body was lost, and he was forced to return to his previous state. (This was probably due to the fact that Ainley died before he could do an audio).


The Master who gets exterminated at the beginning of the TV movie was played by Gordon Tipple. There's also William Hughes who played the (first?) incarnation of the Master in the Gallifrey/untempered Schism flashbacks from Sound of Drums/Last Of The Time Lords and End Of Time.

 

[ATimson]

(I don't know if any of Big Finish's Masters do television, but if they do, bring one of them in, too.)

Geoffrey Beevers, who usually plays the Master in the Big Finish audios, first played the role in the 1980s TV story "The Keeper Of Traken". So, he most certainly has previous experience.

I think they'd probably be more likely to use Alex MacQueen. He does TV (was in The Thick of It with Capaldi), the way he plays the Master is very much in line with Jacobi/Simm/Gomez' takes; and he's not 70+ years old.

 

[starsuperion]

The Doctor would have recognized the younger Master from the Time War.

It's unlikely they wouldn't have met.

When the Master turned into slime in the movie.

I get the feeling that any dissected/extracted portion of that mass could equally been the Master, whether it was one bucket taking over an EMT, or two hundred table spoons taking over 200 other people. he was more of a macrovirus than a jellyfish with anatomy and a brain.

1. Maybe there was more than one Master in the movie? The one we focussed on confronted the Doctor, the others we didn't know about considered less suicidal options.

2. Someone from "now" goes back to get a cup full of Master, and use it to create a parallel Master to the movie who believes that he's just been executed by the Daleks... Has any one figured out how that makes sense yet anyways? Did the Daleks become Goodies? Well, they did become goodies when they locked up the Doctor in the Pandorica. United most of the Universe in a singular cause.

G'kar swore that only humans could do that.

LMAo! you just reminded me of the wonder twins.. from super powers.. take the form of Water in a bucket!!

 

[starsuperion]

BTW it's never been established in the show to my knowledge that the Delgado master was the same/last incarnation who became the Pratt/Beevers incarnation. That's more of a fanon/WHO EU thing. There's even some fan theories out there that the Pratt/Beevers master is actually the post-TV movie Roberts incarnation, who was already decaying a bit ("This body won't last long", the skin flicking etc.). Some of the audios also have the Beevers incarnation post-Ainley, explaining that the Tremas body was lost, and he was forced to return to his previous state. (This was probably due to the fact that Ainley died before he could do an audio).


The Master who gets exterminated at the beginning of the TV movie was played by Gordon Tipple. There's also William Hughes who played the (first?) incarnation of the Master in the Gallifrey/untempered Schism flashbacks from Sound of Drums/Last Of The Time Lords and End Of Time.

well, no one ever said Delgado's Master was his Hartnell or first version. who is to say an earlier master who had not yet become the Delgado version couldn't meet his future selves.. I mean it is entirely possible to introduce a new master, like they did with the War Doctor out of the blue.. If the sixth Doctor can meet his 2nd Troughton incarnation, why wouldn't the current and previous masters meet an earlier before Delgado incarnation??? Although Mind you, I do like the thought of the decaying master being used, although the audio or a novel I think explains his decayed form..

I think for continuity and a thread that could be pulled on is what was touched on earlier in this thread about the valeyard, and the Master doing battle across time in the future. wouldn't it be amazing to have Missy, the simms master, and a previously unknown master versus the Doctor and one of his future Valeyard split personas teaming up to save the whole of reality? now with the current season 9 coming up with what seems to be more Missy, I would love to see Moff put some icing on that cake and do a triple Master story to end that saga on an awesome footing as the ultimate Christmas special!

which reminds me, if they ever do a release of the master like they did with the cybermen DVD, I would like them to fix the CGI for the yoda Doctor that simms created from his laser sonic.. that cGI was horrible.. not to mention the first season and the Slatheen.. geez.. can we get a remastered season 1 already!!!