If Tasha Yar had not died, what would have happened to her character? How would she have developed?
If Tasha Yar had not died, what would have happened to her character?
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Haha this is actually believable. Despite her romantic encounter with Data, Yar kind of had this lesbian tom-boy aspect to her character. I got the impression that if she was around in the 90's she would have played Roller Derby.
Haha this is actually believable. Despite her romantic encounter with Data, Yar kind of had this lesbian tom-boy aspect to her character. I got the impression that if she was around in the 90's she would have played Roller Derby.
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She would have hooked up with Geordi (yeah, the unlikely one).
She'd become a big sister to Wesley in season two during Beverly's absence.
As Worf's sister-in-arms, she would have served as his cha'Dich in "Sins of the Father" and presented the truth about the Duras family to Picard.
She would keep reminding Data that one time didn't happen.
She would have been promoted to lieutenant commander by season three or four and would be seen taking charge of more away team missions.
She would have hooked up with Geordi (yeah, the unlikely one).
She'd become a big sister to Wesley in season two during Beverly's absence.
As Worf's sister-in-arms, she would have served as his cha'Dich in "Sins of the Father" and presented the truth about the Duras family to Picard.
She would keep reminding Data that one time didn't happen.
She would have been promoted to lieutenant commander by season three or four and would be seen taking charge of more away team missions.
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Her potential character development ended with the tearful visit to Q's penalty box.
Her potential character development ended with the tearful visit to Q's penalty box.
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They would have found some other way to write her off of the show. She was redundant to Worf (or vice-versa), his character was more interesting, and though I like Denise Crosby on a personal level, I don't think she is as good at acting as Dorn, or just about anyone else on the show, really.
Heck, I really think that probably almost happened with Picard and Riker, too, during the Best of Both Worlds cliffhanger - that they weren't finding enough for Picard and Riker to each do as separate characters, so they were writing out Picard (who was probably played by the more expensive actor). And I was eager for them to do so at the time, but I'm glad they didn't, because an episode or two after BoBWp2 they really began to build Picard's character into someone that I ultimately liked.
They would have found some other way to write her off of the show. She was redundant to Worf (or vice-versa), his character was more interesting, and though I like Denise Crosby on a personal level, I don't think she is as good at acting as Dorn, or just about anyone else on the show, really.
Heck, I really think that probably almost happened with Picard and Riker, too, during the Best of Both Worlds cliffhanger - that they weren't finding enough for Picard and Riker to each do as separate characters, so they were writing out Picard (who was probably played by the more expensive actor). And I was eager for them to do so at the time, but I'm glad they didn't, because an episode or two after BoBWp2 they really began to build Picard's character into someone that I ultimately liked.
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Actually, Patrick Stewart was thinking about leaving, so Piller wrote the episode so that it could result in Picard's death if contract negotiations didn't work out and Stewart left the show.
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As originally designed in season one, Worf was something of an "auxiliary bridge officer"--to fill in for whoever was gone on an away mission (be it Yar, Data, or even LaForge), IMO. He would still have been very much front and center of any kind of Klingon stories in TNG, but Yar would have been the one taking care of the rowdies in the other kind of stories.
As originally designed in season one, Worf was something of an "auxiliary bridge officer"--to fill in for whoever was gone on an away mission (be it Yar, Data, or even LaForge), IMO. He would still have been very much front and center of any kind of Klingon stories in TNG, but Yar would have been the one taking care of the rowdies in the other kind of stories.
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I didn't mind Tasha Yar, but I wish the way she had left the show had been different.
I didn't mind Tasha Yar, but I wish the way she had left the show had been different.
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I think it was a little silly to have Tasha be head of security and also tactical officer when there is a Klingon in the crew. Any Klingon would probably be naturally better in both those areas. Worf was the logical choice.
I think it was a little silly to have Tasha be head of security and also tactical officer when there is a Klingon in the crew. Any Klingon would probably be naturally better in both those areas. Worf was the logical choice.
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The thing is, "The Best of Both Worlds" made too good a case for Riker leaving. When Shelby called out Riker for playing it too safe, I agreed with her -- and not only that, I agreed with her too strongly than I think even the writers intended. She was right. In the episode "Family", they should have either given Riker his own command and let him leave the show, or had Picard leave Starfleet (at least temporarily) and made Riker the new captain of the Enterprise -- let either one become a recurring guest character like Wesley was. Instead, they demoted Riker back to Commander and kept the status quo (and stopped offering him commands, I notice!) It's a cop-out.
These all seem like surprisingly good suggestions (even the Geordi one) except for the bolded one. I seem to remember Michael Dorn saying several times that if Denise Crosby hadn't left the show, they would have killed off Worf.
Thing is... I kinda wish they had gotten rid of either Picard or Riker after "Best of Both Worlds". I know it's tempting to shout "Blasphemy!" at this -- and there are Picard stories and Riker stories after "Best of Both Worlds" which I love and don't want to get rid of -- but I stand by it.bullethead said:
The thing is, "The Best of Both Worlds" made too good a case for Riker leaving. When Shelby called out Riker for playing it too safe, I agreed with her -- and not only that, I agreed with her too strongly than I think even the writers intended. She was right. In the episode "Family", they should have either given Riker his own command and let him leave the show, or had Picard leave Starfleet (at least temporarily) and made Riker the new captain of the Enterprise -- let either one become a recurring guest character like Wesley was. Instead, they demoted Riker back to Commander and kept the status quo (and stopped offering him commands, I notice!) It's a cop-out.
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I like the idea of Tasha becoming Wesley’s “big sister” in S2. After Geordi went down to Engineering, Worf would have taken over at the Conn, and Wesley would fill in at Science, so that she could keep a close eye on him.
When Data went on trial to decide whether or not he was a sentient being or not, there would have been an awkward moment in the courtroom when she was called in as a witness.
She and Worf would stay good buddies (maybe with hints of something more?). She would be his backup for all his Klingon stories.
When the Enterprise visited her colony, she would have a tough reunion with Ishara, and she would be the one that was forced to take her down on the mission.
Would love to see her and Troi off on their own mission.
In “Yesterday’s Enterprise” her character would be stuck on the E-C when the Klingons attacked and she had to return through the anomaly with them. Then she would have to face off against Sela (which would make Nemesis pretty much redundant and maybe then they could come up with a better movie).
I like the idea of Tasha becoming Wesley’s “big sister” in S2. After Geordi went down to Engineering, Worf would have taken over at the Conn, and Wesley would fill in at Science, so that she could keep a close eye on him.
When Data went on trial to decide whether or not he was a sentient being or not, there would have been an awkward moment in the courtroom when she was called in as a witness.
She and Worf would stay good buddies (maybe with hints of something more?). She would be his backup for all his Klingon stories.
When the Enterprise visited her colony, she would have a tough reunion with Ishara, and she would be the one that was forced to take her down on the mission.
Would love to see her and Troi off on their own mission.
In “Yesterday’s Enterprise” her character would be stuck on the E-C when the Klingons attacked and she had to return through the anomaly with them. Then she would have to face off against Sela (which would make Nemesis pretty much redundant and maybe then they could come up with a better movie).
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I don't think Roddenberry originally wanted a Klingon in TNG, but once he decided it would be a good way of showing how things had changed since TNG, he went with it, but didn't think of Worf as much more than a "token" character, IMO. I also believe that Roddenberry always wanted a female security chief to show that a woman could do a job normally associated with a man in most action-adventure shows at the time.heavylids said:
IIRC, didn't Roddenerry originally intend Worf to only be a sort of a supporting character and was really a last-minute addition to the main cast? I think that Worf benefited from Yar being killed off, because otherwise he would have been only slightly more than a reoccuring character like O'Brien.ColeMercury said:
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I just pondered on how Tasha and Sela could meet. Or maybe Sela was like Shinzon, in that she is a fully human clone of Yar, but raised to be a Romulan agent (maybe she managed to get onboard the Enterprise for a few months, whilst the real Yar was held prisoner on Romulus, where she was saved by Spock).
I wish that she had stuck around for a bit longer, how many TV shows get everything right in their first season?
Maybe this time she was onboard helping with repairs, or a tactical briefing, or just saying goodbye to Castillo, when the ship was pulled back through the anomaly.
I just pondered on how Tasha and Sela could meet. Or maybe Sela was like Shinzon, in that she is a fully human clone of Yar, but raised to be a Romulan agent (maybe she managed to get onboard the Enterprise for a few months, whilst the real Yar was held prisoner on Romulus, where she was saved by Spock).
I wish that she had stuck around for a bit longer, how many TV shows get everything right in their first season?
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It's a little silly to have anyone be both Tactical Officer and Security Officer. These are two completely different areas of expertise. It's be like having an infantry soldier also be in charge of firing missiles on a naval cruiser. Two very different skill-sets.
With good writing (and better acting from Crosby), you could have continued to both Yar and Worf exist side-by-side for the length of the series.
heavylids said:
It's a little silly to have anyone be both Tactical Officer and Security Officer. These are two completely different areas of expertise. It's be like having an infantry soldier also be in charge of firing missiles on a naval cruiser. Two very different skill-sets.
With good writing (and better acting from Crosby), you could have continued to both Yar and Worf exist side-by-side for the length of the series.
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I'm fairly sure that if Tasha hadn't been killed off, "Yesterday's Enterprise" would never have been written in the first place.
I'm fairly sure that if Tasha hadn't been killed off, "Yesterday's Enterprise" would never have been written in the first place.
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Now [if Yar had never died] might have prevented the creation of the Sela character later on, though, but that was more to bring back Denise Crosby to TNG than anything else. Otherwise, Sela might have just been a young female Romulan commander with an axe to grind against the Federation for something else...
Sure it would--it just would have been a slightly different story because it was more about the Enterprise-C going back to fulfil its destiny than about Tasha Yar anyway.
Now [if Yar had never died] might have prevented the creation of the Sela character later on, though, but that was more to bring back Denise Crosby to TNG than anything else. Otherwise, Sela might have just been a young female Romulan commander with an axe to grind against the Federation for something else...
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