If StarTrek 2009 flopped?
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Star Trek (2009) flopping means no sequels and no Kurtzman Era Trek. No Discovery or anything after.
I think CBS would've eventually wanted to try to bring Star Trek back to TV at some point, it just would've been made by someone else. I don't know who the Someone Else would've been or if what they would've made would've been better or worse.
At least I got two shows I liked out of Kurtzman Trek (Discovery and Picard). Under someone else running the franchise, I might not have even gotten two I like at all. But maybe I might've. Who knows? Best answer I can give.
I think CBS would've eventually wanted to try to bring Star Trek back to TV at some point, it just would've been made by someone else. I don't know who the Someone Else would've been or if what they would've made would've been better or worse.
At least I got two shows I liked out of Kurtzman Trek (Discovery and Picard). Under someone else running the franchise, I might not have even gotten two I like at all. But maybe I might've. Who knows? Best answer I can give.
Is it more likely there'd have been the disconnected-from-anything-prior reboot some are suggesting?
Yes it' essentially an unknown as who that would be.
But my guess is that someone would of probably been doing a more "traditional " Star Trek show with more overt trek themes if the 2009 " new wave" style themed movie was deemed a failed concept to the higher ups.
The next new show would likely be aimed to existing Star Trek/Sci fans instead of trying to attract a wider audience .
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If it didn't come back for a while, there might be more novels.
Most likely. Or "traditional but updated for the 2010s/2020s." I also think without the Kelvin Trilogy behind it, Star Trek is seen as smaller, the Executive Producer wouldn't have been given the multi-series deal Alex Kurtzman was, and this Mystery Person wouldn't have been making so many series at the same time in the early-2020s. Maybe if this new Trek show was successful, we'd have had a spin-off by now. So, two new shows, but definitely not six.
I imagine people would still have hangups about what Someone Else would be doing, but they'd be hangups about different things.
What century would the next new show have taken place in?
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After thinking about it more, perhaps Seth McFarlane would of been given the keys. IIRC, he pitched Star Trek and was turned down. Perhaps that doesn't happen or they circle back to him if 2009 had failed.
. No I don't it think it would of been like the Orville other then maybe some superficial elements . He primarily wanted to do serious trek.
My wild guess a team involving McFarlane and one other veteran trek writer. ( with Braga?)
. No I don't it think it would of been like the Orville other then maybe some superficial elements . He primarily wanted to do serious trek.
My wild guess a team involving McFarlane and one other veteran trek writer. ( with Braga?)
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If Trek XI flopped, we probably wouldn't see anything at all onscreen until this new movie not related to anything prior which Paramount's new leadership is claiming to be developing.
Perhaps but I doubt it. Can see them go 15 plus years without any attempt at any new Trek. That would be an even bigger gap than between TOS and TMP. Ghostbusters 2016 failing didn't stop the recent Ghostbusters films from being made. Hollywood would of tried again IMO. But likely a TV show if 2009 failed.
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If Star Trek 09 flops then the series goes quiet, no else and video games, and a streaming show is attempted when that becomes the new trend. Lower budget.
I think either one of two things would have happened:
1. Star Trek on screen would have been dead for the foreseeable future, as no one would want to touch a property that even a big-budget film produced by JJ Abrams couldn't make a profit from.
2. CBS might have possibly given a license to The CW to produce a very low or moderately priced budget Star Trek TV show. I don't see CBS selling the IP off, though, despite Star Trek '09 flopping in this hypothetical scenario.
And what reality?
Good question. Most of the time when one continuity has been played out, a new one takes its place, and never goes back to the old continuity. But they went back to the prime universe here, so who knows?
Every Star Trek fan has 2009 to thank for any iteration of Trek shows since.
If they made a new show after the 2009 Film would've flopped, then it's safe to say it wouldn't have been the Kelvin Timeline.
It probably would have gone back to TV and there would have been no shortage of people making their pitches. Like on one hand we could have got a Noah Hawley Star Trek or someone that alum, maybe Ron Moore or give me JH Wyman. Or yeah maybe you get Greg Berlanti's Star Trek.
Imagine if all they knew of Star Trek XII was rumours about Khan and Klingons, do you think fans would have thought it missed opportunity or a dodged bullet?
Imagine if all they knew of Star Trek XII was rumours about Khan and Klingons, do you think fans would have thought it missed opportunity or a dodged bullet?
I do not think it would be much different that now.
The other two Kelvin movies would not have happened, and there would not be a Kurtzman Trek era. But Trek probably would have returned to tv around the same time as Discovery premiered. Or sooner, if numbers on Netflix held up, and fan films like Renegades kept getting made.
They might have just set the new show in the prime timeline a hundred years after NEM, and kept the tone of Discovery's first season for the duration of the show. No jumps to the future or to the past. Just a consistent focus on the late 25th century.
That would also be how they could bring in the actors from the Berman era to come back, heavily leaning towards TNG.
The big unknown would be the Kelvin cast - would they be brought into the prime timeline, and would they get a Phase II kind of show in place of the movies? Or would they have been ignored as some experiment that did not work?
The other two Kelvin movies would not have happened, and there would not be a Kurtzman Trek era. But Trek probably would have returned to tv around the same time as Discovery premiered. Or sooner, if numbers on Netflix held up, and fan films like Renegades kept getting made.
They might have just set the new show in the prime timeline a hundred years after NEM, and kept the tone of Discovery's first season for the duration of the show. No jumps to the future or to the past. Just a consistent focus on the late 25th century.
That would also be how they could bring in the actors from the Berman era to come back, heavily leaning towards TNG.
The big unknown would be the Kelvin cast - would they be brought into the prime timeline, and would they get a Phase II kind of show in place of the movies? Or would they have been ignored as some experiment that did not work?
I also think it wouldn't be that different. If '09 had flopped, we would have had a different wave of Star Trek content in the time since, but it probably would have been roughly the same proportion of good/bad. Only the specific good/bad things would have changed.
There was just too huge of an industry-wide spending surge in the time in between, and too much of a studio imperative to exploit all your IP. In that climate, a deal was going to be made with some producer to make some wave of Trek streaming TV, no matter how badly the last big screen venture had failed.
I do think Kurtzman really excelled at volume. That business side of it was well handled. I'm not sure many other producers could have gotten us this much Trek out of this moment.
There was just too huge of an industry-wide spending surge in the time in between, and too much of a studio imperative to exploit all your IP. In that climate, a deal was going to be made with some producer to make some wave of Trek streaming TV, no matter how badly the last big screen venture had failed.
I do think Kurtzman really excelled at volume. That business side of it was well handled. I'm not sure many other producers could have gotten us this much Trek out of this moment.
They probably would have tried a P+ series, they were mining EVERYTHING. Probably something like Picard.
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