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If Star Trek had been at 20th Century Fox

ZapBrannigan

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Suppose Gene Roddenberry and Herb Solow had been at 20th Century Fox instead of Desilu. And for the sake of argument, suppose Fox had green lighted Star Trek. How would bad would it be?

The cinematography would be different. Lost in Space looked highly dramatic and artistic in its first season (by Gene Polito), but the switch to color brought generic, plain-and-simple lighting by somebody else. So I think an in-house Fox Television guy, instead of Jerry Finnerman, would light Star Trek "perfectly," very bright with no shadows or shading, no cucoloris, no diffusion filters. The resulting manufactured uniformity would be a big step down. There's nothing seductive about it that draws you in.

You'd have some of the same composers (Courage, Steiner, Fried, Mullendore), but it's been said that music at Fox was more supervised and structured than Desilu. And of course Fox drew freely on its movie library to supplement their TV scores. It would be a different sound, with some cues coming from the Forties and Fifties. On the plus side, we might have a John Williams score.

It's unclear whether Roddenberry would be able to sneak Wah Chang's props past the union if he were at Fox. That might leave Star Trek with Fox's comparatively silly-looking sci-fi pistols and pedestrian transistor radios instead of our uber-cool and serious looking props.

Would Star Trek's fx have been done in-house at Fox? Would that mean the Enterprise model, plus a stars-and-planet painting, all being shot at once ("in-camera") like the Jupiter 2? It would be a sharper, cleaner view of the 11-footer than we got from blue screen process shots, and a whole different look.

Perhaps the biggest question is whether Star Trek would be thrown in with the Irwin Allen shows, to share alien costumes (re-spray painted of course), set dressings, "guest" miniatures and fx footage, and whatever else wasn't nailed down. Or would it be kept to the side as its own thing, at greater production cost?
 
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Gene Roddenberry took his series to Twentieth Century Fox in the first place and got the thumbs down! But if they had of said yes then we'd have the first year in b/w and the second with ridiculous looking aliens in giant frog heads and the like! :thumbdown:
Although the planets that looked like earth would have been much, much better! :techman:
JB
 
The cinematography would be different. Lost in Space looked highly dramatic and artistic in its first season (by Gene Polito), but the switch to color brought generic, plain-and-simple lighting by somebody else. So I think an in-house Fox Television guy, instead of Jerry Finnerman, would light Star Trek "perfectly," very bright with no shadows or shading, no cucoloris, no diffusion filters. The resulting manufactured uniformity would be a big step down. There's nothing seductive about it that draws you in.

Yes to all of this. The first seasons of both Lost in Space and Star Trek succeed beautifully because the cinematography is seductive and pulls you right into the stories.

Have you checked out the Lost in Space Blu-rays? First season is a joy to behold, with Polito's camerawork.

Polito's reason for leaving Lost in Space is a damn shame: He became ill while the first season was still in production, and the great Winton Hoch filled in for him on some of the last episodes of the season. Polito recovered, but Irwin Allen had gone ahead and found somebody cheaper to start the second season. I've always wondered what the color episodes would've looked like if Polito had just come back.
 
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Not to be taken that seriously, but...

The fight between Kirk and the Gorn might have taken place at the Trona Pinnacles (where they filmed the J2 crash sequence) rather than the Vasquez Rocks.
 
Gene Roddenberry took his series to Twentieth Century Fox in the first place and got the thumbs down!

Says who? He showed it to MGM, who had the right of first refusal. Then he took it to Desilu. If he took it to any other studios in between, I haven't read about any specifics about it. (Then again, who would want to fess up to saying no to Trek when it was becoming a cultural phenomenon in the 70s and 80s?)
 
This presumes a lot.

Irwin Allen was a different sort of producer than Roddenberry, who wouldn’t have necessarily used the same people as Allen or Dosier.

Fox had better prop people than Desilu. Roddenberry went to Chang because Desilu’s prop people weren’t up to snuff. The production designer/art director would have a lot of impact on that.

Trek used leftover props from Allen shows in “Gem”. Fox had a lot of usable set pieces in its scenery dock, and any line-producer with a salary would of course encourage its use.
 
Not to be taken that seriously, but...

The fight between Kirk and the Gorn might have taken place at the Trona Pinnacles (where they filmed the J2 crash sequence) rather than the Vasquez Rocks.
Trona Pinnacles gives me a Where No Man Has Gone Before vibe for some reason.
 
June Lockhart for Amanda Grayson ("Journey to Babel").
June would have been 42; quick, I hope you didn't throw out that left over aging make-up from The Deadly Years. (think production order...) June Lockhart as Nancy Crater, or Kirk's sister-in-law Aurelan Kirk
Guy Williams could have done Gary Seven.
Harris in make-up for Ambassador Petri.
Mark Goddard as Captain John Christopher.
Bill Mumy as Tommy Starnes/Peter Kirk.
 
June would have been 42; quick, I hope you didn't throw out that left over aging make-up from The Deadly Years. (think production order...) June Lockhart as Nancy Crater, or Kirk's sister-in-law Aurelan Kirk
Guy Williams could have done Gary Seven.
Harris in make-up for Ambassador Petri.
Mark Goddard as Captain John Christopher.
Bill Mumy as Tommy Starnes/Peter Kirk.
The Robot as Stella Mudd.:whistle:
 
Marta Kristen as Lenore Karidian
Jonathan Harris as Anton Karidian
Angela Cartwright as Jamie Finney
Mark Goddard as Merrick
Guy Williams as Trelane ( He played Zorro so I think it's not a stretch)
Nothing much for Billy Mumy, though casting him as Charlie Evan appeals to me for some reason. ;)
 
Says who? He showed it to MGM, who had the right of first refusal

Interesting thought: would that have given the Trek production (if at MGM) access to the stuff still hanging around from Forbidden Planet (which showed up from time to time on other shows)?
 
Interesting thought: would that have given the Trek production (if at MGM) access to the stuff still hanging around from Forbidden Planet (which showed up from time to time on other shows)?

I feel like the Forbidden Planet materials were used so much on The Twilight Zone (some costumes, props, Robby, his car, the saucer miniature itself, and some spaceflight fx footage) that they would have come across as dated and overly familiar on Star Trek, almost ten years later. But yeah, they would have been used again in Star Trek.

Fox re-used everything. A landing leg ladder from the Jupiter 2 even showed up as part of Brent's spaceship wreckage in Beneath the Planet of the Apes.

TZ harvesting FP might be the main thing that made Stanley Kubrick destroy all the goodies from 2001: A Space Odyssey.
 
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