If Star Trek Beyond fails

[JWPlatt]

Can someone be a Hipster and a frat boy? They would seem to be two disparate types.

If Delta Tau Chi can accept Flounder, anything is possible.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Can someone be a Hipster and a frat boy? They would seem to be two disparate types.

If Delta Tau Chi can accept Flounder, anything is possible.

He was a legacy.

 

[Phantom]

Can someone be a Hipster and a frat boy? They would seem to be two disparate types.

Hipster writers can portray someone as a frat boy, which is what Orci and Kurtzman did with Kirk.

 

[wulfio]

wouldn't Hipster writers be writing self indulgent indie flicks?

 

[BeatleJWOL]

See: any Wes Anderson movie.

 

[Phantom]

wouldn't Hipster writers be writing self indulgent indie flicks?

For their own enjoyment, yes. For public consumption where they're making a point? No.

Another good example of Hipsterism in media is the Ultimate universe at Marvel Comics, especially The Ultimates (that universe's Avengers). Or (outside Marvel), the Watchmen, or LXG (the comic).

 

[fireproof78]

wouldn't Hipster writers be writing self indulgent indie flicks?

For their own enjoyment, yes. For public consumption where they're making a point? No.

Another good example of Hipsterism in media is the Ultimate universe at Marvel Comics, especially The Ultimates (that universe's Avengers). Or (outside Marvel), the Watchmen, or LXG (the comic).

Alan Moore is a hipster. Interesting mental picture.

 

[Phantom]

^Mark Millar certainly fits.

 

[Nerys Myk]

wouldn't Hipster writers be writing self indulgent indie flicks?

For their own enjoyment, yes. For public consumption where they're making a point? No.

Another good example of Hipsterism in media is the Ultimate universe at Marvel Comics, especially The Ultimates (that universe's Avengers). Or (outside Marvel), the Watchmen, or LXG (the comic).

So Hipsters are into grim and gritty super hero comic with large doses of sex and violence? Hipsterism (In i'st modern connotation) has been around since the late 1980s?

Abrams is a Hipster auteur?

I think you're just using "Hipster" because you think its a negative. A few years ago it would have been "Emo" or "90210". I also think once again here and especially in the other thread where you called it "Hipster Trek" you're falling into the bad habit of trying tar a wide range of people (fans of the new films) with a pretty broad brush. It's a bad road to go down.

 

[JWPlatt]

...I think you're just using "Hipster" because you think its a negative. A few years ago it would have been "Emo" or "90210".

Very nice point about the use of labels du jour.

 

[wulfio]

wouldn't Hipster writers be writing self indulgent indie flicks?

For their own enjoyment, yes. For public consumption where they're making a point? No.

Another good example of Hipsterism in media is the Ultimate universe at Marvel Comics, especially The Ultimates (that universe's Avengers). Or (outside Marvel), the Watchmen, or LXG (the comic).

Alan Moore is a hipster. Interesting mental picture.

I can see it. Trimmed beard to a respectable length. Hair in a man bun. Thick black rim glasses. Flannel shirt. Skinny jeans.

 

[fireproof78]

For their own enjoyment, yes. For public consumption where they're making a point? No.

Another good example of Hipsterism in media is the Ultimate universe at Marvel Comics, especially The Ultimates (that universe's Avengers). Or (outside Marvel), the Watchmen, or LXG (the comic).

Alan Moore is a hipster. Interesting mental picture.

I can see it. Trimmed beard to a respectable length. Hair in a man bun. Thick black rim glasses. Flannel shirt. Skinny jeans.

Well, I wasn't planning on sleeping tonight anyway, so thank you for that.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Alan Moore not looking like a crazed hippy is just wrong

 

[Trekkin]

I can't even imagine Alan Moore combing his hair. But I can imagine what he'd do if you called him a 'hipster' to his face.

Funnily enough, it's a subject we covered in culture studies last semester. The term became big in the late 30's/early 40', but you can trace the concept back to the bourgeois. Basically, 'hipsters' (the ones trying to be 'hip', as opposed to people who happen to fit that role) are concerned with not fitting into trends. Hence 'I liked it before it was cool.'

Orci, Moore, Ultimates...they don't really fit that. They now are the mainstream, and have just kept doing what they've always done. If they were 'hipsters', then they would have changed just to continue being hip.

There's actually an argument that the very concept of the hipster (and their counterpart 'the yuppie') is now dead. Too many trends going on at once that change too quickly, and people fitting into multiple niches as we purposefully try to quash traditional stigmas. Accountants can save the whales in their spare time, and violent Spanish-language movies about fairy tales during the Civil War are blockbusters in the States.

 

[fireproof78]

I can't even imagine Alan Moore combing his hair, let alone styling it in any way. But I can imagine what he'd do if you called him a 'hipster' to his face. Hipsters are into counterculture, but being into counterculture does not make one a hipster.

Funnily enough, it's a subject we covered in culture studies last semester. The term became big in the late 30's/early 40', but you can trace the concept back to the bourgeois. Basically, 'hipsters' (the ones trying to be 'hip', as opposed to people who happen to fit that role) are concerned with not fitting into trends. Hence 'I liked it before it was cool.'

Orci, Moore, Ultimates...they don't really fit that. They now are the mainstream, and have just kept doing what they've always done. If they were 'hipsters', then they would have changed just to continue being hip.

There's actually an argument that the very concept of the hipster (and their counterpart 'the yuppie') is now dead. Too many trends going on at once that change too quickly, and people fitting into multiple niches as we purposefully try to quash traditional stigmas. Accountants can save the whales in their spare time, and violent Spanish-language movies about fairy tales during the Civil War are blockbusters in the States.

I could see that argument being made, mostly because the concept of forging your own, individual identity, with regards to social issues seems to be a part of the social expectation now. It seems to swing back and forth.

Also, can I see the blockbuster about an accountant saving the whales on the weekend?

 

[eyeresist]

wouldn't Hipster writers be writing self indulgent indie flicks?

Hipster Star Trek would be something like the films of Jim Jarmusch or Miranda July. Charmingly tedious.

The point being, this new international form of filmmaking is great for bringing in a bigger box office take, and some films, like Rogue Nation may do well by them. Others, may have issues. This could mean Trek in 20 years may be completely unrecognizable. They did make the films more broad so they could appeal not only to the non-Trek audience, but also the international audience.

I don't think "internationalising" Star Trek would make a huge difference. After all, the premise of TOS was that it was an international, multiracial crew of the far future. Possibly we might eventually see some parts re-cast as non-northern European race. Provided the actors were good, that wouldn't be a big deal.

 

[wulfio]

Now I'm picturing Data selling ice cream to kids while Worf walks around for 220 minutes.

 

[Trekkin]

Admit it, you'd totally watch it.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Can someone be a Hipster and a frat boy? They would seem to be two disparate types.

Hipster writers...

 

[fireproof78]

Can someone be a Hipster and a frat boy? They would seem to be two disparate types.

Hipster writers...

Hey, I was thinking that