Slow clap.
Hi, I know you have a terrible track record with wanting to retool sci-fi shows to the point where they're unwatchable and then cancel them... let's make a deal!
If Joss Whedon was in charge of...
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Slow clap.
Hi, I know you have a terrible track record with wanting to retool sci-fi shows to the point where they're unwatchable and then cancel them... let's make a deal!
I always thought if Joss Whedon or Eric Kripke was in charge of Smallville, they would have made it into one hell of a story instead of the mind-numbing crap show that never ends.
Well said. I am a big fan of his work. It seems to be trendy to bash him these days. Heaven knows why. I'd kill for a Trek show that has writing and characterisation on a par with any Whedon show (in the whole Berman era, only DS9 comes close to Buffy, Firefly, or Angel)Word.
In hindsight, I think a lot of people would agree with you, I personally was able to watch the series in the intended order (Meaning "Serenity" "The Train Job" etc...), and I cannot fathom how the show could have been received in watching it in the order FOX released it (with TTJ being released first because it was actiony, or whatever). This is likely what some of the 'up in arms' point is, I agree that people can be a bit...extreme, but this show held promise, and didn't get a proper shake (say what you want, but it didn't get it). I wonder if this is why Joss made Dollhouse in such a way, that save for a few cases, the episodes could be switched around and make no difference?
I guess I never really 'answered' the quote, but from my POV, "The Train Job" however good of an episode it was (Come on...the line 'time for some thrillin' heroics' while looking to Kaylee was just funny), it just didn't ring to me as a pilot of any sort (especially considering how further episodes that actually aired referenced to the true pilot...). I suppose this is a curse in serialized programing, especially when a network is interested in airing ratings grabbers first (though maybe, one could make the pilot actiony or something, I don't know...).
Yeah. It's tragic the amount of hating that a good writer like Joss gets here.
While total hacks like James "Titanic" Cameron make everybody slobber with anticipation over the next shitty film he is going to make.
I do not get it. Probably never will. It's better that way.
Ah. Would that be the same guy as James "Terminator" Cameron? Or James "Aliens" Cameron? Maybe James "Terminator 2" Cameron? How about James "Avatar" Cameron?
Yes, the very same. I haven't seen Avatar, but thought T2 was a trashy remake of the first film with, oooooooh, pretty special effects. Aliens was solid, as was the first Terminator. True Lies, the less said the better.
So he has a solid track record of one good film to one suck film, IMO. Certainly not worth the lavish worship he receives from scifi fans.
However, I'm sure people say the same about Joss. Though no matter what you think of the guy, you have to admit he is passionate about movie and television making! Unlike Cameron, he wouldn't stop making movies or television for over a decade. He also wouldn't make a film that is 90% special effects and 10% a mismashed story of bits taken from other films.
Oh, and I almost forgot, Piranha Part Two: The Spawning! Yes, Cameron truly is a visionary! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082910/
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Terminator is just a knock-off of Harlan Ellison's Outer Limits work, Aliesn is just a meshing of Alien and "Them!" the 50s movie about giant ants, Terminator 2 is just T1 only with a nonsensical script and more explosions.
Agreed.
Take away the big budget and special effects, and Cameron makes George Lucas look like Scorsese. He's a slightly more cerebral Michael Bay. Fortunately for all three filmmakers, spectacle and action sells in today's market.
So, if there is one thing I would want to see Joss in charge of, it's a film that has a decent budget and real backing by the studio. I don't know why he hasn't been offered any of the big budget comic films thus far, other than Wonder Woman. Part of me wishes he had bit the bullet and made the changes the studio wanted with WW - anything to get the film up and running. Though none of us know all the details, it seems like he ruined his chance to have a future in movies instead of television.
I don't know, seems to me that he'd rather not make the movie, then make something that's total trash and whatnot, simply to appease his fan's and have his name on the big screen. I couldn't really blame him in that aspect (considering many of his other feature film outings were not that greatly received), I mean we all know what happens with Comic book movies that studios demand to many changes on; the general reception is that they suck (whether or not they made money), and that those involved should be ashamed (or all out suck) for being involved with it.
As for James Cameron...to each their own, Terminator one and Two are my favorite terminator movies, Terminator 3's saving grace is Kristanna Loken, and the less said about Salvation, the better. I enjoyed True Lies (but then again, I like action movies, so who knows) and as for Titanic...well, I don't know, it's not my favorite movie, but I watch it once in a great while, to great enjoyment (or perhaps, not 'great' but Kate Winslet isn't the only reason I watch the movie).
That said...I'm curious as to how The Cabin in the Woods will be.
As for James Cameron...to each their own, Terminator one and Two are my favorite terminator movies, Terminator 3's saving grace is Kristanna Loken, and the less said about Salvation, the better. I enjoyed True Lies (but then again, I like action movies, so who knows) and as for Titanic...well, I don't know, it's not my favorite movie, but I watch it once in a great while, to great enjoyment (or perhaps, not 'great' but Kate Winslet isn't the only reason I watch the movie).
That said...I'm curious as to how The Cabin in the Woods will be.
Never did care for Firefly, and never even seen Smallville, so I can't comment on one taking over the other. 
You know, that's only accurate if you ignore "Dark Angel." And Cameron's doco work. And "Avatar," which was in pre-production for, approximately, forever.
If Joss was in charge of Smallville, Clark Kent would be a tiny girl.
I think Joss works best when he sticks to TV. He has more artistic control over the project there, and doesn't have to do battle with the suits as much as he would in movieland. His directorial feature debut, Serenity, was good in my opinion; but his other screen works were tarnished by people telling him what he could and couldn't do.
Also, TV shows let him construct an arc, and spend more time developing the characters. That is, when the networks let him, before they axe his shows after one or two seasons!
Buffy and Angel seem to be flukes in that they were good shows that actually got a chance to develop a story over several seasons. Poor Firefly and Dollhhouse never got that chance.As much as I love it, Dollhouse did reasonably get a chance, afterall, they had aired something like 26 episodes, most of which aired prior to the cancellation. The series just never caught onto an audience, at least not one large enough (it did manage to hold onto a consistent one) for FOX to consider keeping it (and sadly, the timeslot means nothing, numbers show that Kitchen of Death or whatever it is, has twice the numbers Dollhouse did). As for Firefly, you may be onto something because many people seem to share this sentiment, not just those involved with the production, or fans. Plus the erratic viewing order it had...
He likely does better on television, or at least a continuing story, and more so when he has more (or total) creative freedom. Something that rarely (if ever), happens.
He likely does better on television, or at least a continuing story, and more so when he has more (or total) creative freedom. Something that rarely (if ever), happens.
A little over the top, but I liked it. That's pretty much how it would go. Come to think of it a little more comedy would have made Lord of the Rings much better. They were great movies (never read the books), but they were so melodramatic. It led to some unintentially hilarious moments.
but the dvd's of each season will do well!
If Joss Whedon was in charge of Smallville, Clark Kent would be a background character while Lana and Chloe kickass and speak in pop culture terms(they do that already)
Fans would be rabid, making slash fics and coining the cast as the "krypto gang
Yeah, good as they were, the LOTR movies could have used a bit of levity. They were very, very serious most of the time. Joss could have helped out there!
IMO, "Serenity" left me totally cold. "The Train Job" was a lot more fun and I can certainly see why FOX might be inclined to air it first.
But then, I'm pretty good at just jumping into a series midstream and figuring out what's going on anyway. I didn't start properly watching Buffy until Season 3. I didn't join in on Angel until late Season 2. ("Blood Money" is the 1st episode I remember seeing. After that, I didn't see another one until the Pylea arc.) That's what I'm currently doing with Supernatural, starting with the Season 2 DVDs.
If you want to see a show that was REALLY aired out of order, I direct you to the 3rd season of Homicide: Life on the Street.
They aired episodes with Lewis & Giardello making casual references to the death of Crosetti before they aired the episode where Crosetti actually died.
What really carries Cameron movies through for me is that I love Michael Biehn.
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