^ Like I said, if the OP was a joke, it wasn't very damn funny.
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I don't know.
I seem to recall two things about Jethro:
1) He's a good joker
2) He's a Preacher
I know #1 is true, #2 is what I think I remember, so I can't say for sure.
Assuming they're both true, both the silly and serious seem plausable.
^ Well, you know this Jethro guy, I don't.
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A preacher? Really?
And even if *his* message was a joke, a lot of people's aren't. There really are some sick fantasies about cutting into people's personal regions just because they've been accused of being offenders. I just find that frightening. As I keep saying, but no one ever listens, what if you get the wrong guy?
*pause*
A preacher? Really?
And even if *his* message was a joke, a lot of people's aren't. There really are some sick fantasies about cutting into people's personal regions just because they've been accused of being offenders. I just find that frightening. As I keep saying, but no one ever listens, what if you get the wrong guy?
^ Well, you know this Jethro guy, I don't.
*pause*
A preacher? Really?
As far as I recall, but like I said, I'm not certain.
I'm sure someone here on here can set the record straight.
Yep. Has a congregation somewhere in Minnesota.
It's disturbing whether it's the wrong guy or not.
Yes we got it the first time you said it.
^I would not be surprised 
He meant it as a joke, but everyone took it seriously. How you can take anything seriously from two butt cheeks with a face is beyond me...
He meant it as a joke, but everyone took it seriously. How you can take anything seriously from two butt cheeks with a face is beyond me...
Indeed, but ultimately it doesn't matter. The concept behind a justice system is simple: something wrong has occurred, displeasing or distressing us, so to remedy this someone must suffer. Most justice systems, today or historically, were/are concerned only with blaming someone for the crime. As long as someone is punished, everyone is happy. That's why forced confession through torture and other means, or knowing prosecution of innocents or "he fits the profile, book him" occurs in pretty much every system. The idea that the person suffering the penalty should actually be the person who did it, whatever "it" is, is simply the twist certain societies put on this, or an "ideal" that doesn't necessarily have to be followed. What matters, as is usually the case with human societies, is the form. The ritual, the ceremony, the mask. The restoration of a social "balance". Justice is a make-believe concept, remember. It's something that does not exist. Societal cohesion, on the other hand, does exist and is essential. What unites societies is an outsider who can be attacked.
All that matters to a lot of people is that someone suffer. Some man must have bits chopped off of him while the rest of us jeer. Remember Orwell's "Boot on human face" concept? That's all this is. If they can "justify" the jeering and mutilation by saying "it's evil child rapists we're doing it to, so that's okay", they feel better. But really it's the exact same instinct as "it's a Jew/black/person-from-the-other-tribe/race/etc/someone we don't like the look of". If a non-child rapist, an innocent guy, suffers, who cares? It's not the crime or guilt that truly motivates people. It's the desire for security and cohesion by destroying another and jeering at their suffering.
Someone who cares for people would not support mutilation, torture, etc, ever. Child rapists and other true criminals go to prison- for life, ideally. That is the penalty. Those who want to inflict torture and pain just want to inflict torture and pain. So, yes, Mr. Laser Beam, people will not listen to "but what if it's the wrong guy?" because they don't actually care about guilt. Guilt in regards to a serious, evil crime is simply the ideal, the excuse for engaging in the instinct.
^ I'm not blaming the whole legal system itself. I know it's not perfect. No system formed by humans can be. I do believe that we do the best we can to find out who is guilty. And if the system makes mistakes, it should (and usually does) let the person go. That's why I'm against the death penalty and things like that, because it's so final. If the wrong person is executed, then there's nothing that can be done. At least with prison time, you can let them go if it turns out they're innocent.
But that's not what this thread is about. What we're discussing is simple mob violence, which is anarchy, which is chaos, which is death.
Eh?
But that's not what this thread is about. What we're discussing is simple mob violence, which is anarchy, which is chaos, which is death.
Eh?
Yes, and mob violence is a natural instinct of our people, that must be carefully controlled. I've seen it in operation many times. Most people will turn viciously and en masse on an outsider at the drop of a hat. Ultimately, "it's because they commited an evil crime" is the same as "it's because they're the wrong tribe/faith/colour/political group, etc". So, I'm not actually talking about the system of law either, not really. I'm talking about the desire to mutilate someone and jeer, which is certainly what this thread is about.
As for people supporting this idea of mutilation, ask yourselves this: If it is actually care and empathy and concern for the victims of these criminals motivating the desire to chop bits off of them,
a) you must be suggesting those of us who don't want to mutilate anyone don't care about the victims. Child was raped? Eh, who cares? I can assure you, our upset and anger and concern is every bit as strong. Saying the desire to mutilate is a natural display of that feeling is to accuse those who don't do such thyings of caring less.
b) why then was the exact same thing, more or less, done to people of the wrong tribe/colour/political group/faith etc throughout history? Were those people as evil as child rapists?
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Because they ususally were child rapists. That was the whole idea! Destroy tribe X, kill the men and old women, keep the young babes and concubinify them. That's what the tribes did.
That's why everyone worships Yahweh. His tribe had the best warriors. That's all.
A very simplistic and not-really-accurate analysis...
Exactly. As an excuse to engage in animalistic instinctive behaviours unworthy of a civilized people.
Well, I incluced a Bushism. That necessarily means the statement is inherently limited in complexity and truth.
. I like you, ThankQ. I think we're somewhat missing the core of what each of us is saying, but that ultimately we're not in conflict....
Oh, we're not in conflict anywhere near the core, just the very outer bits of the crust.
^ Are you two talking about criminal justice or apple pie?