I want to like 'Conundrum', but....

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by JesterFace, Aug 15, 2020.

  1. at Quark's

    at Quark's Commodore Commodore

    Dec 15, 2012
    Well, 'difficult' as in 'it's difficult to invent FTL travel' . You don't think it up on a rainy Sunday afternoon. It may take time, but most races will apparently do it, eventually. The photon torpedo seems to be a weapon that's not exactly rare among races.

    I was talking about the human penchant for weapons. I'm convinced they would have developed their own version on their own, eventually.

    On these points, we agree.

    Except that the plan was extremely risky and highly likely to fail -. as it in fact did - due to the strong inner moral convictions of the crew they could not overwrite or block.

    I'm not sure it follows they are so hard to produce. It doesn't appear these warheads were extremely heavily protected, those security devices were easily disabled. (Then again, we know in Trek all security is so easily cracked :) ) And perhaps the Maquis were simply 'lazy', as in 'if we're going to steal stuff anyway, we might as well steal the finished product'. Also, Voyager fired more photon torpedoes than they had, which would either mean they traded for them (meaning that several Delta Quadrant races have photon torpedo technology too, making the technology more ubiquitous), or that they acquired the ability at some point to manufacture them themselves (despite their statement very early in S1 they couldn't replace them). If the latter is the case, it would mean you don't need top-notch large-scale industrial machinery to produce them.

    I'm not sure if that has to do with the degree of restriction of the items, or with the fact that the Federation very much wants the Maquis issue to be ended and is therefore hot on its tail. I still have the feeling that acquiring photon torpedoes may be closer to illegally obtaining high-yield explosives in considerable quantities in our world than to obtaining nuclear warheads. It's probably quite doable if you have connections and you aren't already on the international terrorist watchlist.

    Do you happen to have a list of such arms deals on DS9?

    There might be something to that theory, yes.
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2020
  2. USS Excelsior

    USS Excelsior Commodore Commodore

    Jun 16, 2004
    Alpha Quadrant
    Or how did he make himself not look like himself.
  3. RAMA

    RAMA Admiral Admiral

    Dec 13, 1999
    Agreed, you have to really hold your disbelief with this one, but dammit, I find it really enjoyable, so it gets a pass.


  4. Marc

    Marc Fleet Admiral Premium Member

    Nov 14, 2003
    Shinning Waters
    yes races that have warp drive or equivalent technology not so much pre-warp civilizations.

    If the satarans don't have warp drive then they probably don't have anti-matter or know how to handle it either.
  5. at Quark's

    at Quark's Commodore Commodore

    Dec 15, 2012
    The Chase mentions "the Satarrans of sothis 3". If those are the same Satarrans as in this episode, it seems they inhabit a different star system than the Lysians, making it likely they have FTL drive.

    Those Satarrans are said by the way to 'disdain a good mystery' - and species that aren't curious probably don't advance that quickly.

    If their weapons technology is an indication for their general technology level, they'd be "over a hundred years behind" the Federation, so assuming they're not 2 centuries or more behind (they'd probably have said that instead), that would put them at the level the Federation had around, say, 2220 ? Except for their computer hacking and memory suppression skills, those'd be considerably more sophisticated.
  6. Oddish

    Oddish Fleet Captain Captain

    Sep 7, 2020
    Too bad MacDuff didn't just get Enterprise to report to his own people, then transmit technical readouts to them. Maybe do the same with Klingon, Romulan, Cardassian, and Ferengi ships. With their stolen tech base, they could dominate the quadrant.
  7. Herbert

    Herbert Commodore Commodore

    Apr 20, 2017
    Yeoman Rand's Quarters
    Not a fan of this episode. It's not bad but I almost always skip it when rewatching TNG.

    It's a good example of how TNG would have been better overall (my opinion) in the later seasons had they tried to recapture more of the wonder of space exploration that was present in season one and two (not to mention TOS).
  8. gakelly

    gakelly Commander Red Shirt

    Mar 3, 2019
    The whole chess is about intuition blah blah by Troi is pretty bad...is pretty bad. If I am thinking about the right episode.
    ThankQ and dupersuper like this.
  9. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Aug 26, 2003
    Well, yeah, Troi is bluffing herself out of a situation where Data plays against himself and both loses and wins. For all we know, the game was a joke from start to finish, and Troi's comments were the punchline of that joke.

    Timo Saloniemi
  10. NigellaDeanna20

    NigellaDeanna20 Commander Red Shirt

    Sep 10, 2015
    Greystones, Ireland
    have to agree. This isn't one of my personal faves. Good story idea though.
  11. Oddish

    Oddish Fleet Captain Captain

    Sep 7, 2020
    That episode became far less interesting when they found out that Picard was in charge.