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I tried watching “The Three Doctors”....

The Three Doctors is possibly the show's worst example of cheap half-arsery and playing down to the kids. But Omega was a great character idea and quite compelling. Also the best thing about Arc of Infinity. The Five Doctors is probably my favourite of the multi-Docs, but I've not seen it for a while and Hurndall ain't no Hartnell. The Two Doctors is a bizarre mix of interesting ideas that doesn't quite hang together, with some surprisingly nasty bits. Time Crash is shit.

Ghost Light is 5 star brilliant and easily the best Doctor Who story ever, even though it probably doesn't make my top 10.
 
The Three Doctors is possibly the show's worst example of cheap half-arsery and playing down to the kids. But Omega was a great character idea and quite compelling. Also the best thing about Arc of Infinity. The Five Doctors is probably my favourite of the multi-Docs, but I've not seen it for a while and Hurndall ain't no Hartnell. The Two Doctors is a bizarre mix of interesting ideas that doesn't quite hang together, with some surprisingly nasty bits. Time Crash is shit.

Aw, c'mon. Hurndall does quite a passable turn as the First Doctor; the next time I saw a Hartnell story, I had to "readjust" for a couple of seconds. The Two Doctors has one overriding problem -- it has Six in it. :borg: (YMMV).

As for Time Crash, it was just the right length and format. You didn't need a whole episode, but it was nice to have Five and Ten meet. Tennant's line of "You were my Doctor" gives me happy chills every time I hear it.

Ghost Light is 5 star brilliant and easily the best Doctor Who story ever, even though it probably doesn't make my top 10.
Whatever powers your police box, babe.
 
Ghost Light is 5 star brilliant and easily the best Doctor Who story ever, even though it probably doesn't make my top 10.

Have to disagree with you there. The story as screened was a confused piece of crap that went nowhere very, very boringly. A rewrite or three was much needed.

As for Time Crash, it was just the right length and format. You didn't need a whole episode, but it was nice to have Five and Ten meet. Tennant's line of "You were my Doctor" gives me happy chills every time I hear it.

The length was perfect, yes. As for the "You were my Doctor. I loved being you." swill... bah! The most over-acting emo Doctor praising the Boring Asthmatic didn't give me chills. It made me gag and wretch. But hey, whatever powers your police box. ;)
 
I was watching Lust in Space the other day, a temporal commission, a time court was looking for gross exploitive cases of sexism in the media to scrub from time, and after the court explained this to their new expert witness Sophie Aldred, who they had just plucked from time with their time scoop in fear that she might be flustered or confused because it was all a little hard for her to wrap her pretty little head around, Sophie replies "Don't worry, I was in Ghostlight."
 
The new one is not "the same show." That show folded back in the 20th century. nuWho is an entirely different production, much more expensive and elaborate and successfully directed at a wider audience.

I see what you mean, and there's certainly a case to be made for both points of view. In many ways it isn't the same show, certainly from a production standpoint. If you look at the original 26-year run, though, the Hartnell era and the McCoy era aren't "the same show", despite having a continuous run. There's no uniform style and approach to the original run, so while the series post-2005 is undoubtedly very different in many respects, it's as different from the Tom Baker era as that is from the Troughton era and so forth.

So you have the early Hartnell stories that were initially intended to be partly-educational, the action adventure of the Troughton years, the Quatermass-inspired Earthbound Pertwee years, the Hammer-esque Gothic horror of early Tom Baker into the characteristic Douglas Adams stories of his later era, the hard SF of Davison etc. until you get to the more postmodern slightly Buffy-esque Eccleston/Tennant years and now the new Tim Burton-inspired dark fairytale of the Matt Smith stories.

To me, despite the differences in production techniques, pacing, acting style and so forth, to me it is all the same show as Doctor Who has never been entirely one thing, consistently. The "old show" may have folded back in the 20th century, but it endured for a quarter of it and ended only because it was allowed to stagnate, and it returned in the 21st because certain people at the BBC who had enjoyed it as children when it was at its peak were now of the age where they were in the position to recommission it. They could see that it had a place in the modern televisual landscape, and of course it did; it's the ultimate format for a TV show.
 
I always found The Three Doctors to be really boring. I love the old show as much as the new show (although I like JNT's era better by and large than the ones before) but I wouldn't rewatch The Three Doctors.
 
Ghost Light is 5 star brilliant and easily the best Doctor Who story ever, even though it probably doesn't make my top 10.

Have to disagree with you there. The story as screened was a confused piece of crap that went nowhere very, very boringly. A rewrite or three was much needed.
But it's brilliant 'cause it's about ideas, like. What Doctor Who ought. I mean yes, it took me watching it twice, 6 months, and reading two or three different story synopses to get it, but when I did it was like expanding the mind. Even now I sometimes wake up during the night, check the clock, and then slump back whispering to myself "I get Ghost Light".
As for Time Crash, it was just the right length and format. You didn't need a whole episode, but it was nice to have Five and Ten meet. Tennant's line of "You were my Doctor" gives me happy chills every time I hear it.

The length was perfect, yes. As for the "You were my Doctor. I loved being you." swill... bah! The most over-acting emo Doctor praising the Boring Asthmatic didn't give me chills. It made me gag and wretch. But hey, whatever powers your police box. ;)
Aye, Prancing Tit talking bollocks to an old bloke we're meant to think is the dull milquetoast of 25 years previous despite acting completely differently. What it really was was Moffat as a fan talking with a postmodern embarrassment to the old show he pretends to have a fondness for.
 
The only question I have about The Two Doctors is how the hell anyone could possibly manage to screw up a Robert Holmes story?!

But by God they did!
 
The only question I have about The Two Doctors is how the hell anyone could possibly manage to screw up a Robert Holmes story?!

But by God they did!

I don't think it was screwed up but the decision to film in Spain was a bad one and it negatively affected the story. Although the actors had a great time.
 
I've never seen The Two Doctors but since I've seen most of the other stories in that season I'm hesitant to spend money on getting the DVD of any episode from that season (except for Revelation of the Daleks which was a classic). This isn't a knock on Colin Baker as he gave both his seasons his all. I always thought he deserved much better stories like Davison and McCoy got (with a few exceptions, of course).
 
I've never seen The Two Doctors but since I've seen most of the other stories in that season I'm hesitant to spend money on getting the DVD of any episode from that season (except for Revelation of the Daleks which was a classic). This isn't a knock on Colin Baker as he gave both his seasons his all. I always thought he deserved much better stories like Davison and McCoy got (with a few exceptions, of course).
I completely agree in regards to Colin Baker getting the short end of the stick, but he gets to make up for it with the Big Finish audio plays. He has some of the best scripts particularly The Holy Terror.
 
He's had some weird company in that series. Seem's like he spent a few decades with this old lady who thought quite a lot of herself, while Mel was lost for a little while playing handmaiden to deceptively nonbenevolent Davros.

Though what truly sets him apart are the 6 The Stranger movies he made with BBV which just seem to be more Doctor Who while he's travelling under a pseudonym.

After 20 years of thinking about "the Stranger" I've finally done some thing about my ignorance and godwilling, I'll be watching a marathon of them tomorrow.

"SQUEE!!"
 
The only question I have about The Two Doctors is how the hell anyone could possibly manage to screw up a Robert Holmes story?!

But by God they did!

Holmes never seemed as happy when he was forced to include things in scripts - see The Power Of Kroll which was written to give us the biggest ever monster. So Seville & the Sontarans were not his idea and he had to include them. There's probably a good 4 part story there without them - but we got a 6 part story with them with the Sontarans as pretty generic baddies.

Also Holmes writing is relatively dark for Who - works well when produced by Hinchcliffe but doesn't really match up with JNT's approach to the series and this time there was no Graeme Harper to really see all the posibilities of Holmes's work.
 
I've never seen The Two Doctors but since I've seen most of the other stories in that season I'm hesitant to spend money on getting the DVD of any episode from that season (except for Revelation of the Daleks which was a classic). This isn't a knock on Colin Baker as he gave both his seasons his all. I always thought he deserved much better stories like Davison and McCoy got (with a few exceptions, of course).
I completely agree in regards to Colin Baker getting the short end of the stick, but he gets to make up for it with the Big Finish audio plays. He has some of the best scripts particularly The Holy Terror.

Everyone working on the Big Finish stuff has really embraced trying to produce great stuff for the 6th Doctor to make up for all the shit Colin Baker got while working on the TV series.

He's not the greatest actor in the world but he's not to blame for the shows problems at the time - or that costume!
 
The new one is not "the same show." That show folded back in the 20th century. nuWho is an entirely different production, much more expensive and elaborate and successfully directed at a wider audience.

I see what you mean, and there's certainly a case to be made for both points of view. In many ways it isn't the same show, certainly from a production standpoint. If you look at the original 26-year run, though, the Hartnell era and the McCoy era aren't "the same show", despite having a continuous run. There's no uniform style and approach to the original run, so while the series post-2005 is undoubtedly very different in many respects, it's as different from the Tom Baker era as that is from the Troughton era and so forth.

So you have the early Hartnell stories that were initially intended to be partly-educational, the action adventure of the Troughton years, the Quatermass-inspired Earthbound Pertwee years, the Hammer-esque Gothic horror of early Tom Baker into the characteristic Douglas Adams stories of his later era, the hard SF of Davison etc. until you get to the more postmodern slightly Buffy-esque Eccleston/Tennant years and now the new Tim Burton-inspired dark fairytale of the Matt Smith stories.

To me, despite the differences in production techniques, pacing, acting style and so forth, to me it is all the same show as Doctor Who has never been entirely one thing, consistently. The "old show" may have folded back in the 20th century, but it endured for a quarter of it and ended only because it was allowed to stagnate, and it returned in the 21st because certain people at the BBC who had enjoyed it as children when it was at its peak were now of the age where they were in the position to recommission it. They could see that it had a place in the modern televisual landscape, and of course it did; it's the ultimate format for a TV show.

I really like your differentiation of the Doctors and their respective styles/attitudes. Very appreciated and concise.
 
The new one is not "the same show." That show folded back in the 20th century. nuWho is an entirely different production, much more expensive and elaborate and successfully directed at a wider audience.

I see what you mean, and there's certainly a case to be made for both points of view. In many ways it isn't the same show, certainly from a production standpoint. If you look at the original 26-year run, though, the Hartnell era and the McCoy era aren't "the same show", despite having a continuous run. There's no uniform style and approach to the original run, so while the series post-2005 is undoubtedly very different in many respects, it's as different from the Tom Baker era as that is from the Troughton era and so forth.

So you have the early Hartnell stories that were initially intended to be partly-educational, the action adventure of the Troughton years, the Quatermass-inspired Earthbound Pertwee years, the Hammer-esque Gothic horror of early Tom Baker into the characteristic Douglas Adams stories of his later era, the hard SF of Davison etc. until you get to the more postmodern slightly Buffy-esque Eccleston/Tennant years and now the new Tim Burton-inspired dark fairytale of the Matt Smith stories.

To me, despite the differences in production techniques, pacing, acting style and so forth, to me it is all the same show as Doctor Who has never been entirely one thing, consistently. The "old show" may have folded back in the 20th century, but it endured for a quarter of it and ended only because it was allowed to stagnate, and it returned in the 21st because certain people at the BBC who had enjoyed it as children when it was at its peak were now of the age where they were in the position to recommission it. They could see that it had a place in the modern televisual landscape, and of course it did; it's the ultimate format for a TV show.
I really like your differentiation of the Doctors and their respective styles/attitudes. Very appreciated and concise.
I'm not sure how I missed Iamnotspock's post the first time around but I have to also concur on his stance on the show. Very introspective.
 
I see what you mean, and there's certainly a case to be made for both points of view. In many ways it isn't the same show, certainly from a production standpoint. If you look at the original 26-year run, though, the Hartnell era and the McCoy era aren't "the same show", despite having a continuous run. There's no uniform style and approach to the original run, so while the series post-2005 is undoubtedly very different in many respects, it's as different from the Tom Baker era as that is from the Troughton era and so forth.

So you have the early Hartnell stories that were initially intended to be partly-educational, the action adventure of the Troughton years, the Quatermass-inspired Earthbound Pertwee years, the Hammer-esque Gothic horror of early Tom Baker into the characteristic Douglas Adams stories of his later era, the hard SF of Davison etc. until you get to the more postmodern slightly Buffy-esque Eccleston/Tennant years and now the new Tim Burton-inspired dark fairytale of the Matt Smith stories.

To me, despite the differences in production techniques, pacing, acting style and so forth, to me it is all the same show as Doctor Who has never been entirely one thing, consistently. The "old show" may have folded back in the 20th century, but it endured for a quarter of it and ended only because it was allowed to stagnate, and it returned in the 21st because certain people at the BBC who had enjoyed it as children when it was at its peak were now of the age where they were in the position to recommission it. They could see that it had a place in the modern televisual landscape, and of course it did; it's the ultimate format for a TV show.
I really like your differentiation of the Doctors and their respective styles/attitudes. Very appreciated and concise.
I'm not sure how I missed Iamnotspock's post the first time around but I have to also concur on his stance on the show. Very introspective.

Totally. I'm going to copy that second paragraph as a guide for the "era's" of Doctor Who. Flawless. :techman:
 
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