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i too am reading New Frontier

Soleta

Lieutenant Junior Grade
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As my username might suggest I have read some of the New Frontier books. I am about half way (?) through the series. I will try to give a review of those books that I have read thus far from memory. But first here are some reasons I picked up the series:
  1. regular tie-in novels are constrained by the fact they might happen between episodes. even if they are not, you couldn't just write a book killing off Riker for example. Or if you did, it wouldn't really have much of an impact as it wouldn't have to stay that way. Additionally, a series of books that progresses like a TV show, rather than a book here and there pressed between canon events is much more appealing. That's why a series that is completely free to do whatever and has complete freedom over original characters seemed perfect.
  2. The return of minor characters like Selar and Leffler was intruiging
  3. A nonbinary/intersex character from the 90s with neopronouns seemed very interesting
New Frontier omnibus
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I will admit while I was into it at first, Calhouns backstory soon became kind of boring to me. I even found him very annoying for the first few books and I had to actually force myself through House of Cards, but I stayed at it because I wanted to give the series a fair chance. There are some returns of famous characters, which isn't really my favourite thing to happen but I get it and I don't think it was too much, especially since the Picard thing was explained in a way where it actually made sense for him to be there, I guess.
I remember thinking that this is all ok but I don't personally need there to be such a focus on sex. I don't remember very much else about it, did the Selar/Burgoyne thing start here already? I don't love their thing they have. Burgoyne should just like chill and let the poor woman be tbh. Anyway, I remember being very sceptic up to the very end.
The Great Bird of the Galaxy really sold the books to me. Most concerns I had had about the series were blown away by the sheer power of stupid silly shit. I love silly shit. I wil forever be a defender of the great bird of the galaxy plot because it made me kind of fall in love with the series. Incredible.

Martyr/Fire on High
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Right, as I said I am very much working from memory here. These set up Morgan Primus, right? I didn't like her at first. The general plot of the two books did leave an impression on me I thought it was quite cool and clever. I don't remember many specific, I thought the woman and her genocide machine "lover" was pretty cool and very nicely described. The "time travel"-esque elements were also cool. It felt a lot like a Star Trek episode that I could imagine well being done with dark rooms and outdated 90s CGI. Nothing I can really say I didn't like about the plot itself, maybe some minor character stuff I didn't like too much (such as Morgan, at first, and the thing between Burgoyne and Selar is dicey) but most of it was fine. It's been about a year since I've read this so forgive me that this review kind of sucks. I liked it

Once Burned
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Man, I won't lie I dreaded reading this because I am not a big fan of Calhoun but I am so so so glad I did because I actually grew to like him in this. Finally explaining his POV instead of just reciting his warrior cool icon macho guy past to me helped me so much in appreciating this character. I loved the way in which his central theme about revenge and following the rules was examined here, I'm sorry once again I don't remember very many details but I remember really liking it. Character driven books are the best!

Double Time
I don't remember much of what happened in this comic, I think it was just a short way of explaining a time gap and had something to do with the Redeemers so I don't have any opinions on it except that I made no bitches Soleta:
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Double Helix: Double or Nothing
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I didn't read the other Double Helix stories (sorry) and instead read the summaries but I expected something very different. The plot was ok but I'm going to be honest this book was very much that post about Male writers writing female characters to me. I would say I have a high tolerance for stuff like that but what does "all hormones in his body reacted at once" even mean. That doesn't even make biological sense. If I wanted to read about women wearing nothing but body paint I would read porn. This was very hard to read and the plot was not worth reading all those horny passages. I don't wanna be mean but I have to be, the portrayal of the female character made this almost unreadable. Treat orion women better, Star Trek.

The Quiet Place
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This book focused a lot on the two new characters and didn't involve the regulars enough so it was a little bit boring. But I still thing the new characters were interesting and I liked them. I don't think the Quiet Place made a lot of sense to me? I did really like that at the end Xyon left his heroism behind because he was so scared. That gave the character a kid of depth he didn't have before, like he is a heroic guy but he still has depth I guess? I also like his ship. It was okay

Dark Allies
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This book was really solid I think, especially compared to The Quiet Place. I really liked the beginning of a sort of alternate universe if this whole planet hadn't been destroyed, it had something of Douglas Adams in my opinion; I really go for this sort of dark humour, if you would agree to call it that. The plot itself was kind of cool, it felt a lot like a TV episode I really liked it. The relationship between Xyon and Kalinda was interestingly done, I think the inaccurate views everyone had of eachother were done very well and Kalinda seemed to be very intelligent; everyone just kept assuming what she wanted and she seems to be the only one who understood this but neither her brother nor her lover seemed to be listening. I think this was well done.

Excalibur: Requiem
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The beginning of this book was so funny. "I can't believe the ship blew up". I loved the fact it was so character driven. The opening chapter already shows you much more of the charactres personalities than you got in more plot driven books, I think. I may be very biased because, as you may have guessed by my username I am a big Soleta enjoyer. Additionally, McHenry is my second favourite character. So with this book focusing on them I was either going to hate it or love it. I love it!
It has such a good balance of genuinely dark events and funny and silly events, maybe somewhat in the category of dark humour. It was great. I absolutely loved Soletas plotline and I liked more glimpses into McHenry's mind, which I somewhat relate to. Also he was just very funny, in the beginning for example, though no one appreciated his dark humour. Kebron also had some zingers. I am unsure how I feel about Kebrons sort of epiphany that he might need love and romance after all, as someone who finds romance not very necessary; but as I said before I have a high tolerence for plotlines I disagree with and try to see these things as they are meant to be seen.
All in all this is my new favourite bok of the series, with Once Burned on second place. I will be thinking about it a lot
 
I've made the mistake of embedding fandom.com images with the time stamp.. Is there a way to edit posts :shrug: :wtf:
 
I've made the mistake of embedding fandom.com images with the time stamp.. Is there a way to edit posts :shrug: :wtf:

Hi @Soleta , and welcome to the board!

So first of all, we do allow post editing, but that function doesn’t become available until after you graduate from “Newbie” to “Red Shirt” status. I believe that happens after 14 days/14 posts, IIRC. Sorry for the inconvenience… it is an anti-spam measure which has proven necessary over the years, but unfortunately it has a bit of a negative impact on legitimate new posters.

But the other thing I should mention is that we don’t actually allow hotlinking images from sites other than dedicated image hosting services (or a web domain that you actually own yourself): so something like Imgur, PostImage, etc.

I don’t think it matters how the images are embedded from fandom.com, I don’t think they ever work from that site. (I’m guessing it’s their own form of hotlinking protection?) But even the images that do show up should still only be hotlinked from an image hosting service.

If you can put the images on such a service, I can help you with editing the post until you are able to edit your own.
 
Hi @Soleta , and welcome to the board!

So first of all, we do allow post editing, but that function doesn’t become available until after you graduate from “Newbie” to “Red Shirt” status. I believe that happens after 14 days/14 posts, IIRC. Sorry for the inconvenience… it is an anti-spam measure which has proven necessary over the years, but unfortunately it has a bit of a negative impact on legitimate new posters.

But the other thing I should mention is that we don’t actually allow hotlinking images from sites other than dedicated image hosting services (or a web domain that you actually own yourself): so something like Imgur, PostImage, etc.

I don’t think it matters how the images are embedded from fandom.com, I don’t think they ever work from that site. (I’m guessing it’s their own form of hotlinking protection?) But even the images that do show up should still only be hotlinked from an image hosting service.

If you can put the images on such a service, I can help you with editing the post until you are able to edit your own.
When I made the post I simply copied the images with a right click, I didn't ven think about this. Fandom.com images often don't work because of the way the links are formatted (if the link ends in a /redirect/latest?somedate), I have this problem a lot when I forget to delete that part. I hope it is fine to keep the post as it is until I can edit it once i am released from newbie prison, I will correct this as soon as I am able, sorry. Thank you for your response
 
Excalibur: Renaissance
Where to start. I don't think I am going to be very controversial if I say that I'm not a fan of Burgoyne/Selar as a pairing. I actually like both characters conceptually, but they are both in a relationship that makes each of them worse and the way their relationship develops is also bad, just like, from a reading it perspective. A relationship that makes both parties worse can be interesting, but I don't think it's done in a way that makes it interesting enough. It's a real shame since both characters have a lot of potential in my opinion and they might have had a better development if another route had been taken (either a different way to approach the relationship or no relationship at all). To be quite honest there's a sort of.. lack of agency in Selar's plotline that kind of disturbs me and it isn't fun to read.

Anyway! The good part of this book is the Risa plotline. After their relationship became a lot less hostile I actually grew to like Morgan. Scotty makes a return in this book to recognize her as Christine, where Riker and Picard had previously recognized her as Lwaxana. I think her whole "being every Majel Barrett character" thing is really stupid and makes no sense and it makes some people really mad, which means that I love it and think it's very funny.
Robin is a very dramatic person. I don't think there is a single thing that ever happened to her that she reacted normally to and that's great. Drama queen approaches her whole life like she is in a teen movie. Good for her.
I liked the Risa storyline, it gave all characters involved time to shine, including Scotty i guess.

Going into the book I thought "ah, the Si Cwan and Kalinda thing will just continue in this book" but I had completely forgotten about it very soon until they show up at the very end. I think that was very well done and a solid reveal. Additionally I am glad that the Double Helix book was relevant because it means I didn't read all that for (double or) nothing, which would've annoyed me a bit for reasons previously stated. I'm excited to see how the series continues!
 
Excalibur: Restoration
I listened to the audiobook of this novel, which is why I was done so quickly. It was alright. Calhouns story had big Kirk vibes for me, like idk, falling in love with that woman was such a Kirk story-of-the week thing to do. I think this book was weaker than the others in the trilogy, character-exploration wise but it makes sense because Calhoun has been plenty explored already. It was nice and cute, I suppose, and had a nice little happy ending of him and Shelby finally getting their shit together and marrying and it was, like, very average which isn't bad nor extraordinary. Cute little book.
 
I don't see Calhoun as Kirk-like at all. Maybe as a caricatured exaggeration of the pop culture myths about Kirk, but not the actual character on TOS.

One of the things that bugged me about New Frontier -- and I did like it for a few books -- is that his versions of the characters who originated on TNG as TV characters have no relation whatsoever to the TV versions. It's as if his editor said, hey, it'll help people get into this if we have some semi-familiar characters like Lefler, Selar, and Shelby, and PAD decided, well, I'll use the names but I couldn't care less about how these female characters were portrayed on TV, I'm just going to ignore their established characterizations and go nuts.
 
I don't see Calhoun as Kirk-like at all. Maybe as a caricatured exaggeration of the pop culture myths about Kirk, but not the actual character on TOS.

One of the things that bugged me about New Frontier -- and I did like it for a few books -- is that his versions of the characters who originated on TNG as TV characters have no relation whatsoever to the TV versions. It's as if his editor said, hey, it'll help people get into this if we have some semi-familiar characters like Lefler, Selar, and Shelby, and PAD decided, well, I'll use the names but I couldn't care less about how these female characters were portrayed on TV, I'm just going to ignore their established characterizations and go nuts.
I agree with everything you said! I don't think that in general Calhoun and Kirk are alike at all. People like to make Kirk into this macho follow-no-rules guy but he is much deeper than that and it goes in a completely different direction than Calhoun's character does. I really just said this because going to a planet and immediately falling in love with a woman in trouble is such a Kirk thing to do.

I also agree with your second point. It's a real shame because Selar was so cool on TV and I held out for her to become more like that again after she got through her… medical issue but nope. Completely different person. In the other two cases it is less drastic but I think you are right still.
 
Gateways #6: Cold Wars
It's been sitting in my shelf/lying in my backpack so that I may read it on the train to work for a long while now, but I finally finished it (see what happens when a book has 350 rather than 250 pages for once).
I really liked the addition of M'ress and Arex to the cast of characters. I liked M'ress's whole plot of having a hard time adjusting in this book and I also like that she takes no shit. + since they're both 2D characters they should be the easiest to make fanart of when I get round to it.
The plot of the book itself, as always, was not really bad and had some cool stuff in it. I did not read the rest of the Gateways series but didn't get the whole "the Giant" thing and somehow think maybe that was exclusive to this book? Anyway the setup at the end of this book was pretty nice but the Gateways #7 short story disappointed me. I won't say much about that one because I don't have anything to say. At least it was related to the plot of the previous book as much as some conversation took place about afterlives on the Trident.
The book continued a tradition of making me mad about Dr Selars life (don't wanna mind meld with someone because it is dangerous and unwise? yeah she's gonna do it anyway because fuck her boundaries, as usual. It also literally ends up being unwise and Soleta has to save her. Nice going everybody)
Apart from that I do always appreciate a little story about war being shit and ruining everything, so yay.
 
Being Human
McHenry is one of my fav characters in the series so I long anticipated the book for being focused on him. Soleta and Kebron are also cool so this was a huge win for me, I guess. The book was.. well, it was exciting I won't deny that.
It made me really depressed about McHenry's life in a way I hope gets addressed further? I'm a few pages into Gods Above by now so I know he isn't really dead. Anyway, given the fact that his Dad ran off and his mom was so scared she wouldn't even touch him and was generally emotionally distant to her kid, kind of makes it all the more fucked up that the dude was literally groomed by a seemingly all-powerful Being? And I don't just mean "preparing him for his role", I mean that she fucked him when he was a teenager. Also blew up his house when he wanted to leave. So uhm. Yeah bit fucked innit. I hope he gets to kill that bitch.

Meanwhile on the Trident two B plots are happening: Lefler and Si Cwan hopefully finally get their shit sorted and resident weirdo Lt. Com. Gleau is now forbidden to have sex, because he's got, like, a Killgrave type ability to convince women to sleep with him. Narrative makes it really easy to hate him, I'm sure he did all that shit. Especially when he is chatting up Kalinda who is like? I don't actually know if she is still underage but lowkey she is described to be aroused for the first time so? get away from her, weirdo.

I already know what direction Morgan's whole thing is going because people hold it up as an example for Beta Canon Craziness but honestly if I didn't enjoy silly things I would've stopped reading after the big flaming bird hatching out of a planet. So. Looking forward to it a bit.
Not generally a fan of mythology and fantasy aspects but the series, I suppose, needed a new villain and this is as good as any. I'm not mad about it. Also driven on by my rage at Artemis ! get away from him and go to prison!
 
I am starting this series next week. I wanted to comment so I would remember to come back and read this when I was done! LLAP.
 
Gods Above
I really liked this one, I'm not gonna lie. There were few things in this one that made me angry (that weren't meant to) and it was exciting throughout.

What to address first? I'm sad to see Mark McHenry go since I really liked him, but from the moment where his God-like status was revealed it was clear he either had to die or have some other excuse not to come back to work. At least he didn't die. I thought it was nice to have some focus on him and his classmates from the Academy books.

As I said, the main thing I anticipated in terms of outrageously silly shit in this book was Morgan turning into the computer, but honestly I thought it was cool and not even in the top 3 of silly things that happened (quick reminder that Zeus/Odin/whatever says that he is also Santa Clause...). I think the silliest was Zak Kebron shedding his skin and revealing that he had just been a teenager the past 40 years and now he is suddenly and adult and his whole personality is different. That was hilarious. That was so funny -- am I too easily amused? I liked Kebron up to now I hope his new personality won't change that.

Also enjoyed the focus on Soleta, particularly her mind melding with an apparent corpse scene, the dangers and the guilt that came up etc. The part at the end where she was smiling and laughing and stuff was genuinely so creepy. This girl has such a bad track record, it's like she always makes the worst decisions available and you're just sitting there like please don't be gullible again...
Anyway, the Thoth thing was very weird. Especially how he was like "I could force myself upon you/make you think you wanna have sex with me but I'm not gonna" and then he did exactly that? okay. Can weird dudes just leave her alone.. Generally a lot going in that sort of direction went unaddressed, but at least all the weird rapists and child groomers die at the end so :techman: whatever

Generally, from the scene at the very beginning of Kalinda facing off against Anubis, holding his scythe, to reality bending space battles and all that, there were many scenes that would make for cool fanart, if someone found the time and motivation.

I liked the way mysteries came to a close in this one. I had already suspected the giant stuff from Cold Wars was gonna be a NF thing more than a Gateways thing, and that it was gonna get cleared up eventually. Moke's plot also became more and more apparent when the Gods got introduced. I really liked the Moke stuff to be honest, I thought it was cute to have a bit of focus on a kid/on kids and their life on the ship.

I was skeptical at first about all the God stuff but I soon leaned into it and it turned out to be very fun! Sometimes the series makes me very annoyed in ways I haven't brought up too explicitly or often here because I didn't wanna be unreasonably negative. But this wasn't a book like that, I truly had fun with this one. :)
 
So, are you doing the No Limits anthology next, or the (in my heart) grand finale, Stone & Anvil?
 
So, are you doing the No Limits anthology next, or the (in my heart) grand finale, Stone & Anvil?
I started reading a bit of No Limits here and then a while ago, but I did continue with Stone & Anvil after Gods Above :^) I think I'll be reading the stories in the anthology when I feel like picking them up individually, since they happen at different times and such
 
Stone & Anvil
Good Morning! Since I have a bit of time on my hands right now, and I have often heard people refer to this as the finale, I thought I'd go to a bit more detail in this one and share some general thoughts.
I've heard good things about this one before starting it and I was quickly let down, tbh. It was off to a great start, then the middle part made me pretty annoyed but by the end I had calmed down. I'll explain why this was the case and hope it won't make anyone too angry after they hear my thoughts.

As is good form, lets start with the things I liked. The main story was focused on Janos' background. He had some funny zingers in this one and his ending was pretty sad, which I enjoyed. Also what with his being adopted by a British family I am now retroactively imagining him with a British accent. I thought the ending was tragic for him but also a bit beautiful.

Beyond that I also thought that Morgan's becoming the computer and getting a hologram and ending up being important was fun. She also made a Red Dwarf reference. Is it feasible she was around long enough to have seen Red Dwarf? Anyway, even if it was just Peter David throwing it in there I appreciated it. I love Red Dwarf.

(Edit: ) I also liked that Kebron is a noir novel fan and excited to do a little murder investigation. So much so that he really sucked at being a detective. I thought it was pretty fun, and though I was afraid I wasn't gonna like the more chatty version of him, I did.

All in all this book was more on the silly side, especially given the nature of the Bad Guy and much of the dialogue. I have no problem with this per se. There were however some plot holes. Mainly why the hell was the Doctor guy on Xenex? Literally what a coincidence and the only imaginable reason to involve a young Mackenzie Calhoun. But for him to go there specifically is pretty silly? It felt lazy.
The silliness itself wasn't a bad thing. The reveal of the comically evil villain being only the pawn of the even more comically evil little critter was pretty funny. It reminded me, a bit, of Beep the Meep from the Dr Who comics, audios and that one episode (where his name isn't even Beep. What, was "Beep the Meep" too silly for you, Davies? Sorry, reminding myself I'm on the Star Trek forum, I'll shut up).

The book was split into two connected stories of Now and Then -- the Then being focused on Mac's time at the academy. At the start I thought "That's intriguing now but I'm going to get annoyed by it quickly." And I did! Don't I just know myself so well...

The main focus of the Academy days section of the book was on Calhoun and Shelby's relationship, and therefore it was predestined to piss me off. Roughly 100-ish pages of the most Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus relationship in the galaxy. It wasn't all unbearable but it was pretty annoying.

Women are very complicated creatures. He suddenly was running through his head a list of everything he considered preferable to women. It was a long and most impressive imaginary document.
Okay dude. What if you fucked off.

All in all and besides the Academy thing wasn't too bad. I thought the little joke about Don't ask, don't tell was maybe in bad taste.

This book generally made me think about Mac's character again. I've made no secret of the fact I don't like him. I thought what with it being the finale (to be clear I will keep reading the rest of the books) I should probably examine and explain why this is. So here is the thing about Mackenzie Calhoun:

Whenever there is a flashback to his earlier life I actually empathize with him and enjoy his character. I had to hand it to him that blowing up the Kobayashi Maru had some very sound reasoning, and it was definitely in character. A character that I don't absolutely despise or anything. I think Mac has the potential to be interesting and analysis of him in such character focused books are usually on point.
I said I empathize with his struggles in the past and I do. Going from such a war-focused and conservative world and immediately flipping a switch to become a nice and modern and pacifistic guy is just not feasible. And he does change -- in books about his past. I feel like over the course of the last (goes to check) 15-ish books with him in it he didn't much change though.

The thing about Mac, as he himself seems to realize, is that at a time in his life where he should've learned what he can and can't do he fought and won an impossible war and now he kind of feels like just trusting himself and using force is going to solve everything. And that is an interesting setup for a character? If the character doesn't just become the guy who is always right when he breaks all the rules and so he always gets away with it. And learns nothing. And just stays the guy who is so cool and even though everyone tells him he can't behave like that he just does anyway because there are no real consequences. I think what Mac Calhoun as a person would need is to make one wrong decision that breaks the rules, which he is super sure about, that inadvertently kills a bunch of people. Not himself. A bunch of other people. That would be an interesting way to challenge the character. But the character isn't challenged, because Mackenzie Calhoun is always right.

Mac is stuck in his focus on violence and confidence in his decisions and instinct as the way he learned to go through life and win. I understand that and I don't think it's a bad setup per se. He is a pretty macho-type guy who is full of himself and I think to an extent that is supposed to be his flaw. Which would mean his always being right is supposed to be his redeeming quality? But all it does to me is make him boring. I know his heart is in the right place or whatever and that he doesn't just wage a war because he loves waging a war, he wants to preserve life as much as the next guy. I appreciate that. But by his always being right -- fuck the rules -- his character isn't really developing. He's stuck as he is because he's just the Mr Macho Cool Guy with the gritty past. And there are some who may find that charming but I don't and so he is always gonna be annoying to me until something changes. Sorry.
 
I remember a bunch of the Excalibur crew started in "Worf's First Adventure." I always found it weird three of them ended up on Excalibur but I guess when you got Shelby and Selar there too...
I read these up until Book 8. I remember they had something like "Oh by the way the ship is going to blow up in ten minutes" and it was so odd. My Trek fandom waned then so I just never came back.
I did expect the first post-Enterprise series to be something like New Frontier though.
 
Glad you're sticking with the series, whilst the later books take a change in tone, I didn't find them as bad as a lot of people make them seem.
 
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