I think we just need to accept the fact that this is a full reboot.

[Markonian]

Good points.
Borg transwarp might be better or more reliable. The Borg have likely assimilated numerous drive technologies, like slipstream in 2374, and stuck to transwarp anyway.

The other parties may not get access to the tech due to Starfleet counter-espionage. In the novels, Starfleet has been able to keep QSD out of the Typhon Pact members’ hands for years.

 

[Mechanoid1]

I'm sure the Klingons, the Romulans, the Dominion and the Borg are also super concerned about the well-being of the space tardigrades and would never use unethical technology like this.

Only humans have discovered tardigrade infinity drive. Lucky for us the Borg never assimilated one of us that knows this tech. As for the other races, they just don't have the imagination to conceive such a preposterous means of transportation.

 

[MadeIndescribable]

Also its said they can still make short jumps without the Tartigrade, so still a useful system to have, even if it's not the primary one?

 

[Longinus]

Only humans have discovered tardigrade infinity drive. Lucky for us the Borg never assimilated one of us that knows this tech. As for the other races, they just don't have the imagination to conceive such a preposterous means of transportation.

So no one else has ever noticed or will notice in the future that there is a giant mushroom dimension spanning the entire universe?

 

[Blamo]

I'm sure the Klingons, the Romulans, the Dominion and the Borg are also super concerned about the well-being of the space tardigrades and would never use unethical technology like this.

None of them have used the Genesis device either.

Just the existence of the mirror universe would present major opportunities to all four powers.

We don't even know how the Federation came by this tech. If the information is lost chances are none of those four will ever get a hold of it.

Frankly I don't know why the Borg aren't using Iconian gateways by now.

 

[Mechanoid1]

So no one else has ever noticed or will notice in the future that there is a giant mushroom dimension spanning the entire universe?

I think we are on the wrong thread for this discussion. Maybe this early science becomes known as fluidic space, IDK.

 

[Mechanoid1]

I hope the writers for discovery do tie it together and try to come back to our star trek universe. So far though it does seem like a reboot.

 

[eschaton]

Only humans have discovered tardigrade infinity drive. Lucky for us the Borg never assimilated one of us that knows this tech. As for the other races, they just don't have the imagination to conceive such a preposterous means of transportation.

Because in a galaxy billions of years old with at the very least thousands of warp-capable species, no one will ever come up with the same idea a second time.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

The answer is already clear: the spore drive may be discontinued because it makes the tardigrade suffer. It’s Equinox all over again. The characters just need to realize it. No further reason needed.

It will be worse. Already without the Tardigrade is super short and causes issues. I am guessing we are also gonna see it jump realities.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

I hope the writers for discovery do tie it together and try to come back to our star trek universe. So far though it does seem like a reboot.

This is our universe. Updating the look is not a reboot. If that makes it a reboot TMP and TNG were both reboots.

 

[Mechanoid1]

This is our universe. Updating the look is not a reboot. If that makes it a reboot TMP and TNG were both reboots.

Upgrading the look is not the issue for me. I like the look, the Klingon redo I'm not to thrilled about but will overlook. However the improbability drive and the ability to hook up an a new alien tardigrade as a super computer for navigation is just too out there even for me. This is where I think they have gone just a bit too far in the first 4 episodes. AGAIN I hope they can somehow tie this in reasonably and move on.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Upgrading the look is not the issue for me. I like the look, the Klingon redo I'm not to thrilled about but will overlook. However the improbability drive and the ability to hook up an a new alien tardigrade as a super computer for navigation is just too out there even for me. This is where I think they have gone just a bit too far in the first 4 episodes. AGAIN I hope they can somehow tie this in reasonably and move on.

It will be explianed wbens its,all said and done. We are not even halfway though. The Iconans used this tech, so why has no one used it in 200'000 years?

 

[Mechanoid1]

The Iconian question was answered in another thread titled:
Why Spore Drive may not work in the future

 

[Butters]

The big cosmetic change for me, the one the grates, is the Klingons. But watching the variety of foreheads in TNG Birthright, aside from a more complex nasal arrangement, the main difference can be explained by the existence of such things as razors.

Klingons look better with lush hair, but even I've had a shaved head once. This ain't no reboot.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Confessions : I have never seen this Equinox episode. I barely remember the Iconians.

If this was old school Trek we'd barely be past the first commercial break. So it's a bit early for full explanations.

 

[Refuge]

Equinox is in two parts. The USS Equinox was a science vessel and its Captain also a scientist. They were dragged into the Delta Quadrant by the Caretaker. They lost the lives of crewmen because of conflict and their struggles also lead them to question and violate Federation principles. When they were aided by the Ankari who introduced them to 'spirits' (nucleogenic lifeforms), they discovered their dead remains could fuel and hasten their way home - 10,000 light years in two weeks. The aliens did however fight back.

The episodes are notable for both the desperation of the Equinox crew and the sacrifice of principle they were willing to take. Also as a comparison to how Voyager had a different path and how Janeway was also willing to push the boundaries of principle as a means to stop Ransom. It was an opportunity for Chakotay to step up and cross over into mutiny territory.

It really does have a lot of parallels to Discovery. Lorca and Ransom. The science vessel aspect. Experimentation. Mutiny. Federation regulations and the Prime Directive. The personal determination of Janeway and her crew. It even employed two medical holograms and had Seven as some kind of ethereal dream like 'conscience' for Ransom.

 

[cooleddie74]

The warp thing is just another case of Star trek creating a super advanced and useful trek for the plot, then forgetting thy did and never seeing it again

Yeah, Trek has a nasty but convenient habit of introducing incredible technology that would make our heroes' lives so much easier but once that episode or story arc is wrapped the tech is forgotten and the creators more or less pretend that we never heard of it. Think about the lightspeed breakway factor discovered in "The Naked Time(TOS)" that was reused in both "Tomorrow Is Yesterday(TOS)" and Star Trek IV. It was also used for the Federation to conduct covert surveillance of Earth's history in "Assigment:Earth(TOS)" once and only once before either the Temporal Prime Directive was drawn up to protect the timeline from being altered or the showrunners decided that they can't have the Enterprise crew go back in time every few weeks and hang out with groovy, tye-dyed 20th century kids or famous luminaries in Earth history.

So..."Lightspeed breakaway factor and historical research using time travel? What are you talking about?"

 

[Succubint]

In the TOS The Changeling, the Nomad probe 'fixes' the ships warp drive which it deems inefficient to go to Warp 10 which Scotty says is impossible and everyone freaks out for a minute. Kirk tells the probe to disengage the engines and go back to Warp 5, but the fact remains that the probe conducted technological improvements. It's never mentioned again.

 

[cooleddie74]

And the Enterprise-A's incredible engine modifications vanish without explanation after the end of TFF. Once the ship returns to Federation space it's "we got to the center of the galaxy in just a few days? When did that happen? Sounds like somebody needs to dial back on the Saurian brandy." Voyager could have sure used those engine upgrades 84 years later!

 

[Delaware123]

I fit my Doctor Who idea of continuity close to that of Red Dwarf and MST3K. Anything goes, no explanation needed; its part of the premise of these shows.

Star Wars I hold to a higher standard, but due to its fantasy status, I give it a lot of continuity lateral too.

Star Trek is, or perhaps was, the Gold Standard. The franchise has historically attempted to maintain the suspension of disbelief through more grounding in reality than other series. Continuity is supposed to be important, and this includes forehead ridges and technology. If you make a significant change, you should have a story reason for the change. Cosmetic changes are not simply cosmetic changes.

I still think the only way this show makes sense as a Star Trek show is as a reboot, alternate universe, or mirror universe... Unless they explain it somehow.