Deciding not to watch has influence over your headcanon, but if there is some abstract notion of 'canon', canon will be the same whether or not you enjoy the show or choose to watch it.
I think we just need to accept the fact that this is a full reboot.
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Deciding not to watch has influence over your headcanon, but if there is some abstract notion of 'canon', canon will be the same whether or not you enjoy the show or choose to watch it.
I like Discovery so far but they're basically doing and changing whatever they want. So I think it's a reboot.
The people making the current thing aren't all the same people making the previous thing, so again you're arguing that canon resides in a legal contract, which I would disagree with. George Lucas's changes in the special editions certainly don't affect the fact that Han indisputably shot first.
Yet so far they've respected the narrative/lore of the previous series.
What have they really changed besides the makeup? Certainly there's less historical change here than there was in Enterprise which, though many hate it, few would dispute as canon.
A lot of people thought ENT was a reboot as well. Unfortunately, not even the appearance of the Defiant in "In A Mirror, Darkly" changed their minds, and even if DSC did the exact same thing, probably wouldn't work there either. So TPTB basically can't win. 
I'm not talking about legal horseshit. I'm talking about reality. Lawyers usually don't deal in that.
I'm not talking about legal horseshit. I'm talking about reality. Lawyers usually don't deal in that.
Can I get an AMEN?
A lot of people thought ENT was a reboot as well. Unfortunately, not even the appearance of the Defiant in "In A Mirror, Darkly" changed their minds, and even if DSC did the exact same thing, probably wouldn't work there either. So TPTB basically can't win.
Nah that just means the Enterprise Mirror Universe was in the Prime Mirror Universe
Actually, LucasFilm considers the Special editions to be canon versions of the films. Any future re-releases will have those changes intact as they were 'George's Vision'.
Any new comics/novels based on ANH will probably mention/show them shooting at nearly at the same time.
Discovery makes me appreciate ALL the efforts made to make NX-01 Enterprise look pre-TOS, from the submarine-inspired interior, to the uniforms, buttons on consoles, and even the hairstyles. The production team behind ENT had respect for TOS. Can't say the same for STD.
Just because they say it's canon, doesn't make it so.
Uh, they create the works, they have the power to do it. Canon isn't up to the fans, that is fanon.
*copypaste about holograms invalidating Voyager and DS9, about forcefield tech invalidating TOS and the classic movies*
*add stuff about all the new aliens, totally different warship designs for Klingons and the Federation*
*add that there is no mention of a Klingon/Federation war prior to "Errand of Mercy"*
*add more about the entire Federation looking like we see in Discovery except for the Enterprise and her sister ships which exist in a weird bubble of 1960's future*
And I say this as a fan of Discovery. It's cool, but it doesn't fit.
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Many of the fair issues that have been brought up would not even be worth mentioning if the Producers had said it was a reboot or reimagining when they were asked.
They said it was prime even though they knew about the changes and that the fans will easily identify discrepancies, makes me wonder why they did it.
I am looking forward to the 3rd episode which I will probably watch tomorrow if possible.
I get the feeling that more will be added to the list by the end of the episode, there has already been some discussion on the subject from the teasers but I wont say what as its not the thread for it and some may not want to be spoiled.
I doubt they'll do that.
However, one important point is that the producers say that this is set in the prime universe. Certainly based on that, and how the series was marketed I expected closer adherence to the continuity, even visually. I of course did not expect fan film style faithful recreation of TOS looks, but certainly expected more callbacks to the classic elements, if not for other reason to play on nostalgia. The Klingon redesign is most perplexing. The entire species has been completely redesigned. They look different, their ships and technology is different, even their beliefs and behaviour is different. Personally I find this unfortunate, the ship designs in particular, as Klingons actually had really good and believable ship design lineage before this.
I disagree here, they act very Klingon outside of their death ritual. Plus T'Kuvma's group are outcasts, they follow their own beliefs that are allegedly closer to Kahless'. But I could see that being a lie by T'Kuvma to gain followers.
My headcanon is that ENT depicts a history that has been altered by the temporal cold war so the 'real' prime history is somewhat different.A lot of people thought ENT was a reboot as well. Unfortunately, not even the appearance of the Defiant in "In A Mirror, Darkly" changed their minds, and even if DSC did the exact same thing, probably wouldn't work there either. So TPTB basically can't win.
They can call it canon, because that is their intent. Whether or not it fits is down to execution. For me, the DCS folks have stumbled out of the gate in that regard. Others will no doubt see things differently.
Perhaps. We have to wait until we've seen more Klingons that are not part of T'Kuvma's cult.
