Which should end the discussion right there.
I think we just need to accept the fact that this is a full reboot.
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Which should end the discussion right there.
looks ALWAYS matter. story and characters are number one yeah.
but no one... doesnt care about how a sci fi show "looks"
everyone would care if it looked like crap.
but no one... doesnt care about how a sci fi show "looks"
everyone would care if it looked like crap.
I've never thought of any Star Trek show or movie as portraying how things would actually look or function in the future. Like watching a Shakespearian play, they are just the best sets, costumes, and imaginings we can produce at a given time. Apart from the overlap of DS9 and Voyager, I wouldn't have expected the sets, costumes and special effects of any of the series to resemble another. I would certainly not expect Discovery to look like TOS only years less advanced.
1. Prime timeline. No continuity reboot.
2. Events and continuity between ENT's finale(2161) and 2256 will likely be honored and built upon with new details since doing otherwise threatens to bring an irritating and nonstop landslide of nerdrage down upon CBS and they - and we - don't need that crap.
3. At no point did Fuller, Meyer, CBS nor any cast member or writer of novels based on the series say this is a rebooted timeline or the Kelvin timeline. Author David Mack says everything will fall into place and eventually make sense and not to worry.
4. It's the Prime timeline, only with a lot less TOS-style set design and fewer props that look like they came straight off Pike's Enterprise.
2. Events and continuity between ENT's finale(2161) and 2256 will likely be honored and built upon with new details since doing otherwise threatens to bring an irritating and nonstop landslide of nerdrage down upon CBS and they - and we - don't need that crap.
3. At no point did Fuller, Meyer, CBS nor any cast member or writer of novels based on the series say this is a rebooted timeline or the Kelvin timeline. Author David Mack says everything will fall into place and eventually make sense and not to worry.
4. It's the Prime timeline, only with a lot less TOS-style set design and fewer props that look like they came straight off Pike's Enterprise.
How come? I would have thought you would have liked it?
I think we just need to accept the fact that this is a Star Trek series.
Now that's just crazy talk. Get the hypospray and sedate this guy!
Turn in your Trek card now.
#NerdFail
Way ahead of you.
Let it be a reboot. It's as much a direct prequel to TOS as Smallville is to Superman: The Movie or Gotham is to Batman Begins. There's character crossover, some of the same general events but the execution is new.
Unless you want to pretend the USS Enterprise was out there in coloured jammies instead of bluniforms, and not using any of the amazing new technology seen on "older" DSC ships just because. And then jump more than a century into the future and wonder why Voyager's EMH can't leave sickbay when the USS Shenzhou projected holograms anywhere on the ship...
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When I first heard about Star Trek was coming back on TV I hoped it would be rebooted. I think there are to much continuity baggage. I wished they just started over and loosely base it on TOS and TNG. My dream Trek would have more alien aliens (I like the new Klingons), less fantasy (I hate Q like aliens), realistic yet optimistic look at the future. I'm hoping this new show will be less gritty then the pilot episodes...
TNG was quite different from TOS, it was made decades later. Voy, DS9 were similar to TNG because they were made one after another. ENT looked a bit different. STD is even more different. But that doesn't it is a true reboot like the Kelvin movies. Even if Klingons look more alien than human in STD, which they should anyway. Despite Worf's explanation, the main reason TOS Klingons look different from TNG is due to budget and technology when the shows were made. Heck, Tribbles would not be acceptable to moderns shows except in comedy shows.
The issue with the klingons isn't that they have changed before but they had the basic same look from TMP till "Enterprise." They were still using the same outfits from TMP up until "Voyager." The change was also a popular one for the most part. You wouldn't see people dressing up like them at conventions and you wouldn't have the Klingon language be something people learned and you most likely wouldn't even have Worf as a series regular. They would have been forgotten in TNG like the Orions and Andorians and Tellerites.
Jason
Personally I think it doesn't matter at all. And I'm amazed that people have created about a million threads about this topic.
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I don't mind either way but I will say this about the first two episodes.
It looks like a reboot - Klingon looks and ship changes etc
It sounds like a reboot - No more Klingon verbal torture please
It acts like a reboot - Spock has a sister all of a sudden, how random is that
It feels like a reboot - In tone, circumstance and delivery
There was no need to make any of the changes they made, the producers could have got away with a few modifications here and there for sure and a general update of the look of the ships, races and the technology in general, who made the decision to make changes in areas that simply did not require it.
I like the look of the Discovery and the rest of the fleet ships but where are the D7's if this is prime timeline 2255 and where are the Birds of Prey.
Makes me wonder why the producers came out and said it was prime, perhaps they thought it would appeal to more people and thus get better view ratings.
Whatever the producers, scriptwriters and designers intentions, it feels like a reboot and makes me wonder what the Enterprise will be like if they do have the two ships meet.
As I said above I am fine with a reboot or not, claiming a show is based in the prime timeline means there are certain rules that need to be followed like consistent racial looks, with the human form Klingons created during Enterprise mixed in with classic looks Klingons, ship designs that were established as being around during that time period and a technology level that is in line with what came before and afterwards.
Pretty much all of those rules have been broken, the only aspect of the first two episodes that look right is the USS Shenzou as it is one of the last ships with a design link to the NX01 and the look of the ships we saw in the Federation fleet that engaged the Klingons, I can overlook the cutouts as I have always been in favour of them and its a minor change.
The Klingon ships and the USS Discovery (I do like the design though) are a big departure from the look and technologies we have seen in TOS and many are having a hard time imagining 10 years into the future and seeing TOS, I understand that the TOS was designed and made 60 years ago and so an update of the look and feel is expected but they could have had the Klingon houses show up in D7's/Birds of Prey and the battle would have looked bang on for the era it represents, why didn't they as the fans would have loved to see the D7 and Birds of Prey brought bang up to date visually.
What they were thinking when they came up with the Klingons new look I just don't know, it even restricted the actors/actresses abilities to act their parts it was terrible, not too mention how long they must have spent in makeup.
What on earth happened during development.
It looks like a reboot - Klingon looks and ship changes etc
It sounds like a reboot - No more Klingon verbal torture please
It acts like a reboot - Spock has a sister all of a sudden, how random is that
It feels like a reboot - In tone, circumstance and delivery
There was no need to make any of the changes they made, the producers could have got away with a few modifications here and there for sure and a general update of the look of the ships, races and the technology in general, who made the decision to make changes in areas that simply did not require it.
I like the look of the Discovery and the rest of the fleet ships but where are the D7's if this is prime timeline 2255 and where are the Birds of Prey.
Makes me wonder why the producers came out and said it was prime, perhaps they thought it would appeal to more people and thus get better view ratings.
Whatever the producers, scriptwriters and designers intentions, it feels like a reboot and makes me wonder what the Enterprise will be like if they do have the two ships meet.
As I said above I am fine with a reboot or not, claiming a show is based in the prime timeline means there are certain rules that need to be followed like consistent racial looks, with the human form Klingons created during Enterprise mixed in with classic looks Klingons, ship designs that were established as being around during that time period and a technology level that is in line with what came before and afterwards.
Pretty much all of those rules have been broken, the only aspect of the first two episodes that look right is the USS Shenzou as it is one of the last ships with a design link to the NX01 and the look of the ships we saw in the Federation fleet that engaged the Klingons, I can overlook the cutouts as I have always been in favour of them and its a minor change.
The Klingon ships and the USS Discovery (I do like the design though) are a big departure from the look and technologies we have seen in TOS and many are having a hard time imagining 10 years into the future and seeing TOS, I understand that the TOS was designed and made 60 years ago and so an update of the look and feel is expected but they could have had the Klingon houses show up in D7's/Birds of Prey and the battle would have looked bang on for the era it represents, why didn't they as the fans would have loved to see the D7 and Birds of Prey brought bang up to date visually.
What they were thinking when they came up with the Klingons new look I just don't know, it even restricted the actors/actresses abilities to act their parts it was terrible, not too mention how long they must have spent in makeup.
What on earth happened during development.
These are less sophisticated holograms, they’re see through, just simple projections like the ones in Star Wars. I doubt you can touch them.
If you were to take those first two episodes and swap the aesthetic with that of TOS or the Cage it would still fit in the Prime Timeline.
"Wah, what happened to holograms in TOS"
1. Range. Shenzou was in Federation space. Enterprise usally wasn't
2. Security. Dude there is a war going on. Voice and visuals are easily encrypted.
3. Infrastructure. Dude there is a war going on. Without signal boosters it many not be possible and the first thing you target is communication
4. Its a fad.
The best explanation for technology is that certain events like war cause interregnums in which societies even the Federation goes back to simpler technologies due to economics or robustness. We even saw this in DS9 as they upgraded older ships for the war.
1. Range. Shenzou was in Federation space. Enterprise usally wasn't
2. Security. Dude there is a war going on. Voice and visuals are easily encrypted.
3. Infrastructure. Dude there is a war going on. Without signal boosters it many not be possible and the first thing you target is communication
4. Its a fad.
The best explanation for technology is that certain events like war cause interregnums in which societies even the Federation goes back to simpler technologies due to economics or robustness. We even saw this in DS9 as they upgraded older ships for the war.
I don't know? Virtual Sarek was leaning on Burnham's desk.
What's wrong with the Klingons in TMP? They looked good enough to only need a minor alteration the next time we see them. Plus the ships looked really good.
Jason
