Very true.
I refuse to watch Trek remastered
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RAMA said:
Forbin said:
Glad you told me you were kidding, Vance, I wasn't sure. I'll take your word for it.
Dan - we usually grok.
Maybe some of y'all haven't lived long enough to have things you like disappear, break without available replacement, or be screwed with. I'll be 50 in June. There are a LOT of things I liked that aren't around any more. Some are because the makers deemed them unprofitable, fair enough. Some seem to have been at their total whim. Some are because some asshole did something that ruined it for the rest of us.
You'll see.
Luckily those at CBS-Paramount had the forethought to preserve a HD viewable version of TOS for future generations, so TOS won't pass into history unwatched by those who will not want to watch inferior (to them) copies. At least they recognized it was a valuable property worth keeping on many levels.
Sadly, it won't be the original episodes as-aired, which captured the imaginations of millions of kids and young adults in the 60s, but the cynical tampered episodes.
Ginger and Mary Anne certainly needed no enhancement!
Good for you! :thumbsup:Surak said:
I'm 21.
I can understand the idea behind new f/x, but I have to say that overall I'm very disappointed with how CBS has done TOS-R. For the most part it doesn't look seamless and it too often has contemporary think in it that looks very out of place.
I also understand the comparison with colourizing old b&w films, but there is a distinction I think. Films colourized today and done well look seamless as if they'd always been filmed that way as opposed to earlier colourizing efforts that looked absolutely horrible and pasty.
Case in point: The 1940s The Mark Of Zorro. The DVD release has both original and colourized versions. The colourized version is gorgeous because it looks like authentic 1940s style colouring. It looks great.
Now compare that to a colourized version of the 1943 Miracle On 34th Street I saw many years ago. That was just plain brutal.
Got any lottery numbers?Surak said:
Just wait, they'll probabally release this on DVD to try and scam more money from us.
$217.99?!?
Crazy.
To take it one step further and drive home the point. Look at when Warner Brothers computer colorized old Looney Tunes. Awful.
Back to the point of the topic: the new effects are way too out of place for it to blend in. (Ergo: amen to that, Warped 9!)
I prefer TOS-R to the original. I don't think the new FX are out of place; I think the makers have done a fine job of blending them in.
As soon as I have a player to play them on, I'll buy the new discs.
As soon as I have a player to play them on, I'll buy the new discs.
Exactly. Trek at its core should entertain and make you think. For some people, they are not entertained enough by the new changes compared with the original. So they won't buy the new DVDs. For others, the changes entice them enough to be worth it. Neither opinion is wrong - its all a question on how you value something. But if you think anyone who holds different tastes or values than you, then that's elitism.
TheLonelySquire
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Surak said:
Therin of Andor said:
Surak said:
I refuse. I really don't see why people would want to even watch this. Just wait, they'll probabally release this on DVD to try and scam more money from us.
I'll bet in ten or fifteen years time, when HD TV has spoilt you, you'll eventually find less and less reasons to pull out your old TOS DVDs, and you'll find yourself watching anything else, so long as it's in HD.
What are you going to do if they ever invent the holodeck for real? Refuse to play in episodes of TOS because they aren't how you remembered them?
Perhaps I should buy TOS on laserdisc.
Actually I have some Trek on LD! Good stuff too.
I agree with you actually. I'm a purist. I want to see TOS in it's original form. I've seen the remastered eps and they're fine. Cool effects and all.
But,Star Trek takes me back to when I was a kid. I want to see it as I saw it then. It's even better watching it on a black and white with snowy reception.
Oh, and I have a 50" plasma 1080p HD screen. I love HD, just not TOS in HD.
TLS
Old school & proud of it!
I don't feel sorry for you (if you actually do enjoy them, that's great!), but I think it's a damn shame you are only watching the butchered edited episodes with missing footage and shorten scenes. You won't be seeing this show completely uncut.
Unless you have an Xbox and can download the remastered episodes from Xbox Live, you're not watching these episodes as they were meant to be seen. Fortunately, if you're willing to spend over 200 bucks, you will eventually get to in November with the TOS-R box set.
The thing about recolorizing films is you can always turn the tint all the way down so it is black + white again, but with the new cartoon effects, there's no way in hell to avoid them. They suck me right out of a story. I'd want to see the later effects of DS9, Voyager and all of Enterprise redone before even TNG which had some painful effects.
Well, like I said, I don't have a player yet. The budget is running a bit thin at this point. So it's not like I have a *choice*...
I do have the original DVDs though. But now that I've seen the remasters, I think I will sell the originals. I couldn't go back to them now.
Although the HD-DVD set is a combo - there's regular DVD versions of TOS-R on the same discs. So I could buy them and play them on my existing player. But I think I'll wait till I get a HD player. Maybe we'll have a BluRay version by then (even with a dual-format player, I'd prefer to get BluRay titles whenever possible).
There's no reason not to.
I've been enjoying it. Among other things, the transfer of the live-action elements is better than any previous version of the show, especially where color is concerned.
No one. Lots of people are watching "Remastered", including me (although I do wish they'd come up with another term besides Remastered). If no one was watching, do you think CBS Digital would be going to all the trouble?
(I still think they're out of their collective gourds for wanting to charge $217.99 for the first season HD-DVD box set, though.
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I've been thinking about this for a while. It may just be the old theory of "start high - you can never raise the selling price" going on here. How much a manufacturer can get for HD DVDs is still a great question. If nobody buys them at $217.99, Paramount has learned something and they can always come down in price. They can never go up.Professor Moriarty said:
(I still think they're out of their collective gourds for wanting to charge $217.99 for the first season HD-DVD box set, though.
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