I Really Enjoyed Enterprise

[tfarr]

Hi all,

I just wanted to post and say how much I enjoyed Enterprise. I grew up watching TOS in syndication and then TNG when it came out. Although I religiously watched every episode of TNG, DS9, and Voyager... for whatever reason I didn't watch Enterprise when it originally aired.

I didn't dislike the show or anything when it came out. It's visual style and/or content didn't bother me or offend my sense of continuity. I think I was just too busy... and I seem to recall it's time slot jumping around (on the local station that carried UPN here).

Anywho, my wife and I watched all of Enterprise on DVD last year, and we just absolutely loved it. I'm voicing that now, because I never really paid any attention to Star Trek forums until recently... and I was surprised to find that a lot of people disliked Enterprise. There seems to be a very vocal bunch of Rick Berman haters in general.

In particular, I liked the Tripp / Archer relationship. There's not enough shows out there who pull off male friendships really well. I also enjoyed the way they tied things in to TOS and explained (in a very entertaining way) the Klingon ridges/no ridges thing!

I didn't care for this new movie very much. It just wasn't Star Trek to me... and I'm amazed at how true to Star Trek .... Enterprise really was in comparison. Kudos to Rick Berman for his life time of dedication and hard work on Star Trek! I'm very much confused at the opinions of the fans that enjoy the new movie but disliked Enterprise. Oh well : )

 

[Michael]

You and me both then. I enjoyed very much of Enterprise, too. Preach the word, tfarr!

 

[Captain59]

Your views are very much welcomed in the forum! Glad you can be here. Star Trek is so huge and so complex with so many factions, you're going to find every kind of love it/like it/hate it combination you can think of. Unfortunately, the most vocal one seems to be the "hate it" for Enterprise. I never understood it, either. Like you I grew up watching TOS in syndication and TNG when it came out. I guess TNG would be considered "my" Star Trek as I was in high school and college during it's run, but I always liked TOS more, especially the movies. TNG never gave me that TOS feel, and I admit I didn't follow DS9 or VOY too much. But when ENT came out, it wowed me. To me, it was the first sequel that captured the essence of TOS. Over the course of the series, it became my favorite Trek, with TOS a close second. Had they made the clear TOS tie-ins like we see in the fourth season from the beginning, I think the series would have lasted the seven seasons it was indended.

There is some retribution. ENT is the only series intact and untouched in both the Prime Universe as we know it and also JJ's Alt Universe. Also, Archer was the only character mentioned from any of the sequel series in the new movie. Maybe in Star Trel XII we'll see an Ambassador T'Pol, or Porthos the Twelfth running around Starfleet Academy.

It's always refreshing to hear from new ENT fans, especially ones who have become such after the series ended.

 

[Mach5]

I didn't care for this new movie very much. It just wasn't Star Trek to me...

I'm sorry you feel that way. Like it or not, that is the path that Star Trek took, and it won't change as long as the money keeps rolling in. And it is rolling in!

Kudos to Rick Berman for his life time of dedication and hard work on Star Trek!

Hear Hear! I just wish he had the sense/guts to quit while he was ahead... Sometime around 1996...

 

[tfarr]

There is some retribution. ENT is the only series intact and untouched in both the Prime Universe as we know it and also JJ's Alt Universe. Also, Archer was the only character mentioned from any of the sequel series in the new movie. Maybe in Star Trel XII we'll see an Ambassador T'Pol, or Porthos the Twelfth running around Starfleet Academy.

hehe Well, I guess we can take some comfort in that Johnathan lives to be at least 140 years old and (presumably, if the beagle in question was the one and the same...) Porthos lives to be 108.

That's an old pooch.

Actually, if my understanding of this whole new movie is correct...

Spoiler: Abrams Trek

When Nero and Spock go through the blackhole, they're not going back in time in the linear sense of it... staying in the primer universe. Instead, they hop over to an alternate reality and proceed to muck up the time line in that reality. So the prime universe is intact and untouched for all of the TV series. The only damage to the prime universe is that Romulus is destroyed in the year 2387 and an elderly Ambassador Spock has gone missing.

 

[tfarr]

I'm sorry you feel that way. Like it or not, that is the path that Star Trek took, and it won't change as long as the money keeps rolling in. And it is rolling in!

Yeah... On a positive note, I'm hoping that the success of the film will at least get Paramount to add the rest of Star Trek to iTunes. Aside from TOS, they only have season 1 of Enterprise, DS9, and Voyager.

I'd love to get my hands on high-def iTunes releases of all the series. My Star Trek DVDs are literally the last physical media that I have left. Everything else is sitting on a 2 TB NAS, having been purchased from iTunes.

 

[Captain59]

Actually, if my understanding of this whole new movie is correct...

Spoiler: Abrams Trek

When Nero and Spock go through the blackhole, they're not going back in time in the linear sense of it... staying in the primer universe. Instead, they hop over to an alternate reality and proceed to muck up the time line in that reality. So the prime universe is intact and untouched for all of the TV series. The only damage to the prime universe is that Romulus is destroyed in the year 2387 and an elderly Ambassador Spock has gone missing.

Close...from my understanding...

Spoiler: Timelines

The second Nero came out of the blackhole, it created an alternate timeline...so he didn't jump into a new one, he actually created it. So the Prime one continued on with the Kelvin doing it's thing, and the Alt one had the Kelvin have Nero appear out of nowhere in front of him. The Kelvin in the Prime universe never saw the lightning storm/black hole at all.

The only fly in the ointment in this theory, which I believe is JJ's theory, is how does Prime Spock end up in this Alt universe 25 years after Nero? If you try to draw the line of thinking on a piece of paper, it just doesn't make sense. Maybe Nero creates that timeline, and Spock hops into it, like you said.

If I never saw Back to the Future to get me "primed" for this kind of thing (no pun intended), this really would be melting my brain...as George McFly said.

 

[Saga]

i only watched a few episodes of Enterprise during its original run. my life was pretty crazy, moving, working, getting married, moving again... but i liked what i saw. when i finally had time and sat down and watched the entire series i loved it. have always been a big fan and supporter of Enterprise.

 

[The Sneeze Police]

I believe that ENT premiered around the time of 911; I remember not watching much TV during that time.

I began watching ENT at the end of season two, and I immediately fell in love with it. For whatever reasons, I have never cared much for DS9 or VOY, although I'll watch the sporadic episodes that air on TV, so I had been Trek deprived since the ending of TNG.

I am a bit cautious of the new Star Trek, because it doesn't really feel like Trek to me, but I am optimistic that more Trek will be produced now. I really prefer Trek on the TV and Star Wars in the theater, but that's probably just me.

ENT is the first series that I watched concurrently with the 'net, and I must say it has been a much different viewing experience than watching TNG (which I watched in a vacuum.) I have generally been very private about my love for Trek until ENT. I dunno, being a girl growing up in the 70's really wasn't conducive for me to share my interest much. ENT liberated me, and now I really am very open about Trek with coworkers & friends.

 

[commodore64]

Welcome to the forum and to Ent.

 

[J Archer]

I never have and never will understand the hate and vitriol directed at Enterprise and it's creators.

 

[NumberOne]

I never have and never will understand the hate and vitriol directed at Enterprise and it's creators.

Personally, I never hated ENT exactly, but I was disappointed with certain aspects. I was super excited about Scott Bakula being cast as the captain, but I never warmed up to him in the role.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Oh I love these threads, so refreshing..

I began watching TOS in reruns when I was 14. Watched it many, many times. Later watched TNG and enjoyed it but didn't really fall in love with it. Fell hard for VOY (love the characters) and then was just besotted with DS9. So I'm a Trek-Omnivore.

Then ENT came along.. and they put it on at 11pm, moved the time around, got rid of it as soon as there was any sports to show (this is in Aus), never started it when they said they would and generally made it very hard to watch. It would disappear for weeks because of tennis or whatever. I tried to watch it, Season 1, but I found it quite dull. I remember just clawing my eyes out during the Malcolm's Birthday episode, it was so mundane. I probably would have continued but the assaholicry of the channel it was on made it too difficult and I just couldn't stay up that late in the middle of the week.

But. It was Star Trek (I never said it wasn't, that always annoyed me to death when fans just disavow whole series). And I wanted to see it properly. So, despite considering it very boring, I d/l'ed it all and started watching it on the pute in my own time. By the middle of season 2 I was hooked. Once we got to the Xindi arc I was utterly entralled. I love T'Pol, I love all the Vulcan eps.. (and damn, why do all the bashers not care that ENT gave us all this great Vulcan stuff, far more than any other series?!) I love Soval.

I have now watched it through 3 times (bought the dvd's) and the eps I found slow paced I now see as full of foreshadowing, LOL. Yeah not intentional, but I enjoy them in the light of what is to come. The crew is so fresh hearted and naively optimistic in the first season.. it's very poignant when you know what trials their futures hold for them.

Enterprise is FANTASTIC TREK. It enrages me a bit that people hate it so much.. but of course I already went through this during my VOY years, that was hated as well. Very sad.

As to the movie as I said elsewhere I think it has more in common with ENT seasons 3 and 4 as far as pace, style, story telling than with any other Trek. I loved the movie.