If they ever do make another Star Trek series I will not watch it! I rather not see the destruction of Romulus and the Klingons at war with the Federation. It was nice to see a grown D'Tan as an adult with the likeness of the actor Vidal Peterson.
I hope they never make any of the events from Star Trek Online cannon!
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Yeah, I've only kept up with short magazine articles about STO.
Video games are generally not canon, any way, due partially to the type of format that has to be done to produce and enjoyable experience.
So, what is the issue?
Yeah, I've only kept up with short magazine articles about STO.
Video games are generally not canon, any way, due partially to the type of format that has to be done to produce and enjoyable experience.
So, what is the issue?
Starborn Dragon
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I have no clue what the OP poster is going on about, and I have played STO for quite a while.
It's not meant to be canon, although it does have some canon references in to.
For example, I had a Klingon character for a while, and every time I held a Tribble it made its anti Klingon alarm.
Here is the Chronology of the game if anybody's interested:
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Chronology
And the TV series (all 5) and the movies ARE part of THEIR continuity.
For example:
So I just don't have a clue.
I have no clue what the OP poster is going on about, and I have played STO for quite a while.
It's not meant to be canon, although it does have some canon references in to.
For example, I had a Klingon character for a while, and every time I held a Tribble it made its anti Klingon alarm.
Here is the Chronology of the game if anybody's interested:
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Chronology
And the TV series (all 5) and the movies ARE part of THEIR continuity.
For example:
So I just don't have a clue.
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I think the only thing from Star Trek Online that might be canon is the Odyssey-class Enterprise-F that CBS signed off on and it's probably limited only to its actual design for any potential licensing/merchandising purposes (like for a toy- or model-making company). Otherwise, STO isn't canon.
I think the only thing from Star Trek Online that might be canon is the Odyssey-class Enterprise-F that CBS signed off on and it's probably limited only to its actual design for any potential licensing/merchandising purposes (like for a toy- or model-making company). Otherwise, STO isn't canon.
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The destruction of Romulus is from the 2009 Star Trek movie, so it's 100% canon. Romulus is gone, precipitating Nero and Spock falling into a black hole and emerging in the reboot timeline.
The rest is non-canon, ignored by the novelverse and if there is ever any more live-action Trek in that continuity (which is unlikely), they'd be free to make up whatever they wanted.
The destruction of Romulus is from the 2009 Star Trek movie, so it's 100% canon. Romulus is gone, precipitating Nero and Spock falling into a black hole and emerging in the reboot timeline.
The rest is non-canon, ignored by the novelverse and if there is ever any more live-action Trek in that continuity (which is unlikely), they'd be free to make up whatever they wanted.
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Canon is in the eye of the beholder as far as I'm concerned. I don't see problems with STO being canon, but it's probably a moot point unless there's a TV series or Movie that returns to the Prime Universe.
I actually like that the Klingon alliance falls apart, it's been such a critical part of the stability of the Alpha Quadrant i the 24th Century, but it seems unrealistic that a warrior race would be able to stay at peace with an organization like the Federation forever. Not that once there's a conflict peace can't be restored.
The Romulan plotline I really like, especially with the follow up on the Hobus Supernova from Star Trek. I won't spoil anything there, but I find it quite appropriate.
Canon is in the eye of the beholder as far as I'm concerned. I don't see problems with STO being canon, but it's probably a moot point unless there's a TV series or Movie that returns to the Prime Universe.
I actually like that the Klingon alliance falls apart, it's been such a critical part of the stability of the Alpha Quadrant i the 24th Century, but it seems unrealistic that a warrior race would be able to stay at peace with an organization like the Federation forever. Not that once there's a conflict peace can't be restored.
The Romulan plotline I really like, especially with the follow up on the Hobus Supernova from Star Trek. I won't spoil anything there, but I find it quite appropriate.
Starborn Dragon
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No. Continuity is the responsibility of the writers and creators, not the fans.
In truth fans really have no right to say what is and is not continuity.
They just think they do.
I don't know why they think they can control what the writers and creators can do. I really do not understand this mentality of flying off the handle every single time something changes.
I also do not understand this mentality of if something is established then it can never be changed under any circumstances.
You see, the biggest problem with not allowing things to change, is that it creates stagnation. And in the long run, stagnation creates boredom and apathy because you've seen it all before.
That's why you really don't have one movie or album when you're stranded on the deserted desert island.
As much as I love my Star Trek, I've seen a lot of it and haven't watched my DVDs in almost a year now. However, I will be watching them soon as I have a friend who wants to see the Original series.
However, not all change is good and sometimes changing things can be chancy.
I just don't understand this kind of mentality and tribalism among the fans.
Especially in light of the philosophy of Star Trek, which is we can overcome our bigotries and racism.
No. Continuity is the responsibility of the writers and creators, not the fans.
In truth fans really have no right to say what is and is not continuity.
They just think they do.
I don't know why they think they can control what the writers and creators can do. I really do not understand this mentality of flying off the handle every single time something changes.
I also do not understand this mentality of if something is established then it can never be changed under any circumstances.
You see, the biggest problem with not allowing things to change, is that it creates stagnation. And in the long run, stagnation creates boredom and apathy because you've seen it all before.
That's why you really don't have one movie or album when you're stranded on the deserted desert island.
As much as I love my Star Trek, I've seen a lot of it and haven't watched my DVDs in almost a year now. However, I will be watching them soon as I have a friend who wants to see the Original series.
However, not all change is good and sometimes changing things can be chancy.
I just don't understand this kind of mentality and tribalism among the fans.
Especially in light of the philosophy of Star Trek, which is we can overcome our bigotries and racism.
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Video games and other tie ins have never been canon before, don't see any reason to think online would be any different.
That said, the destruction of Romulus is from the movie and therefore canon. Klingons are Star Trek's most recognizable antagonists, so they'll almost certainly be used in that role for any revival.
Video games and other tie ins have never been canon before, don't see any reason to think online would be any different.
That said, the destruction of Romulus is from the movie and therefore canon. Klingons are Star Trek's most recognizable antagonists, so they'll almost certainly be used in that role for any revival.
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I kind of like how they handled the events of ST2009 in STO. Spock has 'disappeared' and feared lost during the events following the destruction of Romulus. The Hobus Star that went supernova and threatened the destruction of the quadrant was because the energy from the supernova was traveling through subspace. It makes for a fun adventure/mystery in the game, actually.
I kind of like how they handled the events of ST2009 in STO. Spock has 'disappeared' and feared lost during the events following the destruction of Romulus. The Hobus Star that went supernova and threatened the destruction of the quadrant was because the energy from the supernova was traveling through subspace. It makes for a fun adventure/mystery in the game, actually.
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If you mean the main storyline, then I don't really see the problem. But if you mean stuff like 20,000 "refit NX" ships with names like USS Fanwank, then yes, I could do without any of that being canon. Thankfully, I don't see that happening, anyway.
If you mean the main storyline, then I don't really see the problem. But if you mean stuff like 20,000 "refit NX" ships with names like USS Fanwank, then yes, I could do without any of that being canon. Thankfully, I don't see that happening, anyway.
Starborn Dragon
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Maybe he means the playable content and not the background setting?
Maybe he means the playable content and not the background setting?
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That part about Cardassia is starting to sound like Dune.
The reason is actually simple, on a psychological level (if that can ever be called simple). Shows like Star Trek produce emotions, and part of that emotional response is this feeling of responsibility and protectiveness to guard against the emotions that we felt towards that artwork.
Tribalism occurs because we don't all have the same experiences, especially with works of entertainment, and different opinions on the matter can feel threatening, especially if they are expressed in a hostile way, i.e. "Only an idiot would like *fill in the blank*
No, the fans are owed nothing by the content creators, and if they decide to change Star Trek in a way that I don't agree with then I'll not support it with my dollars.
But, I'll debate endlessly the different points of view regarding most things Star Trek.
That part about Cardassia is starting to sound like Dune.
The reason is actually simple, on a psychological level (if that can ever be called simple). Shows like Star Trek produce emotions, and part of that emotional response is this feeling of responsibility and protectiveness to guard against the emotions that we felt towards that artwork.
Tribalism occurs because we don't all have the same experiences, especially with works of entertainment, and different opinions on the matter can feel threatening, especially if they are expressed in a hostile way, i.e. "Only an idiot would like *fill in the blank*
No, the fans are owed nothing by the content creators, and if they decide to change Star Trek in a way that I don't agree with then I'll not support it with my dollars.
But, I'll debate endlessly the different points of view regarding most things Star Trek.
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That right! If change isn't good we won't support it with our money. The show isn't good we don't continue to watch it anymore. I guess this happened to Enterprise. The viewers didn't like where the show was going so the show got lower ratings.
That right! If change isn't good we won't support it with our money. The show isn't good we don't continue to watch it anymore. I guess this happened to Enterprise. The viewers didn't like where the show was going so the show got lower ratings.
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I got what I wanted out of STAR TREK, pretty much, which is TNG ... so I'm not so vested in what the next series is going to be like. But I was kind of surprised that elements of the cartoon from the Seventies have creeped into live-action STAR TREK over these many, many decades. I suspect the same will be true of STAR TREK Online ...
I got what I wanted out of STAR TREK, pretty much, which is TNG ... so I'm not so vested in what the next series is going to be like. But I was kind of surprised that elements of the cartoon from the Seventies have creeped into live-action STAR TREK over these many, many decades. I suspect the same will be true of STAR TREK Online ...
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As a LTS to STO, i find your post bizarre. Why would a TV series be based on STO? It is a game [there have been many ST games with various stories...and books etc]
Now, interestingly, I'm only interested in Prime [non-JJ] Trek so I too would prefer Romulus intact and Klingons at peace [or allied with] the Federation. However, STO is just a story and the old [old, old] rules still apply: unless it is on TV or cinema, it is not cannon.
To reiterate, I have no idea why you think they would base a TV show on STO.
As a LTS to STO, i find your post bizarre. Why would a TV series be based on STO? It is a game [there have been many ST games with various stories...and books etc]
Now, interestingly, I'm only interested in Prime [non-JJ] Trek so I too would prefer Romulus intact and Klingons at peace [or allied with] the Federation. However, STO is just a story and the old [old, old] rules still apply: unless it is on TV or cinema, it is not cannon.
To reiterate, I have no idea why you think they would base a TV show on STO.
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I just want to clear the way I know Star Trek Online isn't canon. What happens if the writers lack creativity decide to take certain events from games and novels turn it into a series. Could something like this happen if they decide to break or bend the rules?
I just want to clear the way I know Star Trek Online isn't canon. What happens if the writers lack creativity decide to take certain events from games and novels turn it into a series. Could something like this happen if they decide to break or bend the rules?
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No, that's not the case. There is absolutely nothing about STO that is canon. If an Enterprise-F ever actually appears onscreen, it doesn't have to be anything like STO's version.
As for STO itself, I don't think we have to worry about onscreen events being influenced by it. STO, being a game, is naturally going to skew itself towards war whenever possible. That's what STO's history is specifically designed to do. So the history that is appropriate for a game is not necessarily going to be what's right for films, TV or even novels (the sole exception being The Needs of the Many, which unlike any other novel, actually takes place in the STO timeline).
No, that's not the case. There is absolutely nothing about STO that is canon. If an Enterprise-F ever actually appears onscreen, it doesn't have to be anything like STO's version.
As for STO itself, I don't think we have to worry about onscreen events being influenced by it. STO, being a game, is naturally going to skew itself towards war whenever possible. That's what STO's history is specifically designed to do. So the history that is appropriate for a game is not necessarily going to be what's right for films, TV or even novels (the sole exception being The Needs of the Many, which unlike any other novel, actually takes place in the STO timeline).
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To be clear, canon in Star Trek (and anywhere else for that matter) is only what the people currently in charge of it says it is. And the people in charge (CBS) have declared that only what is seen on screen is canon. However, tomorrow they may change their mind and declare that video games are canon too, and that would be the final word. The thing is, the only reason why CBS would ever declare STO to be canon is because their marketing department told CBS that they'd sell more games if they did, because they know anal-retentive Trek fans care about this kind of thing. This happened before with the TAS DVDs. But I don't think that STO is such a huge revenue-producing product for them (unlike, say, the Abrams films) that they'd bother declaring them canon just to make a few more bucks.
As for turning STO into a series? Not a chance, if only because the prime universe on screen is done. But even on the slim chance that CBS decided to make some new show that takes place in the prime universe, the person in charge of producing it would not give a crap about some video game. He or she would create their own story.
To be clear, canon in Star Trek (and anywhere else for that matter) is only what the people currently in charge of it says it is. And the people in charge (CBS) have declared that only what is seen on screen is canon. However, tomorrow they may change their mind and declare that video games are canon too, and that would be the final word. The thing is, the only reason why CBS would ever declare STO to be canon is because their marketing department told CBS that they'd sell more games if they did, because they know anal-retentive Trek fans care about this kind of thing. This happened before with the TAS DVDs. But I don't think that STO is such a huge revenue-producing product for them (unlike, say, the Abrams films) that they'd bother declaring them canon just to make a few more bucks.
As for turning STO into a series? Not a chance, if only because the prime universe on screen is done. But even on the slim chance that CBS decided to make some new show that takes place in the prime universe, the person in charge of producing it would not give a crap about some video game. He or she would create their own story.
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