I have a feeling timeline canon will be severly changed

[RedSpar]

I have this weird gut feeling the new Trek movie is going to be set no more than 50 yrs from present day.

This is why:

-Enterprise is being built on Earth, in what looks like it could be a contemporary shipyard

-Guy with goggles and a stick welder is welding hull plates of the Enterprise

-Area 51 rumors about the build site of the Enterprise (proved untrue, yet Orci is still dubious about location)

-Roberto Orci says this: Both the literal interpretation that we are putting the movie together, but also to convey the idea that this is something that this is something that could be coming soon. It is the idea that The Federation may exist may exist. The idea that the future is not nearly as far off as it was in the 60s.

To me this all adds up to a major change in the Trek timeline. Maybe JJ is going for the idea that maybe someday quite soon the human race could build a 'real' Enterprise.

Call me crazy but I wonder....Might not be a bad idea IMO if it turns out to be true.

 

[HRHTheKING]

Just regard previous Trek as "Canon 1" and this new movie as "Canon 2"


You can enjoy both.

 

[Sharr Khan]

HRHTheKING said:
Just regard previous Trek as "Canon 1" and this new movie as "Canon 2"


You can enjoy both.

thank you!

Sharr

 

[CommanderRaytas]

I wouldn't mind. It's worth theorising about it....

 

[ancient]

RedSpar said:
I have this weird gut feeling the new Trek movie is going to be set no more than 50 yrs from present day.

This is why:

-Enterprise is being built on Earth, in what looks like it could be a contemporary shipyard

I don't think so. Besides, this proves nothing.

-Guy with goggles and a stick welder is welding hull plates of the Enterprise

Which is being used simply because it's recognizable.

-Area 51 rumors about the build site of the Enterprise (proved untrue, yet Orci is still dubious about location)

And?

-Roberto Orci says this: Both the literal interpretation that we are putting the movie together, but also to convey the idea that this is something that this is something that could be coming soon. It is the idea that The Federation may exist may exist. The idea that the future is not nearly as far off as it was in the 60s.

He's not being literal. Today, things like landing a probe on Mars don't even make headlines. Tricorders, PCs and Communicators don't seem so implausable as they did in '67. "coming soon" refers to the movie itself.

Call me crazy but I wonder....Might not be a bad idea IMO if it turns out to be true.

Except that it really doesn't make much sense.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

RedSpar said:
Call me crazy...

You're crazy.

 

[archeryguy1701]

Damn you Cog! I was going for that!

RedSpar, I think you're stretching just a little bit. Will there be continuity changes? Sure. It's hard as hell to pull a prequel without something changing. Will it be as profound as you're expecting? Unlikely. None of the things you pointed out really indicate a major change. I say don't worry, and enjoy it.

 

[Arlo]

I can't help but think if any of the STXI crew reads this board, they are doing so in utter bewilderment.

 

[Zeppster]

Some of you guys are reacting too much to a teaser. Teasers usually aren't even in the movie they are just used to get someone excited about the movie and tell as little as possible about the movie

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Arlo said:
I can't help but think if any of the STXI crew reads this board, they are doing so in utter bewilderment.

Roberto Orci reads and posts over at Trekmovie.com and gets the "fan experience" full force, believe me.

http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/19/interview-orci-answers-questions-about-new-trek-trailer/

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Zeppster said:
Some of you guys are reacting too much to a teaser. Teasers usually aren't even in the movie they are just used to get someone excited about the movie and tell as little as possible about the movie

Says you.

After reviewing the teaser trailer over 500 times, I have determined the exact longitude and lattitude of Area 51, and verified that Sarek was born on October 15, 2165.

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

feh.. everyone knows Sarek was born on October 16th...

 

[Dayton Ward]

^ Yeah, but was he born in orbit or on the surface?

 

[Dane_Whitman]

Orci talking about the 'grey areas of canon' has convinced me that whatever slight 'canon violations' we will encounter in this film can easily be reasoned into oblivion. Trek fans have dealt with continuity errors since the early days of TOS.

 

[Tralah]

^ No kidding. Does that tombstone with "James R. Kirk" from the second pilot ring any bells? People really seemed to get too wrapped up in these details.

 

[MIB]

Even if "canon" were changed, so what? And I say this being a hard core trekkie back in the day. I personally wouldn't mind, and would even welcome, seeing multiple takes on the franchise. A take where deflector shields were JUST deflector shields and tricorders only did tricorder stuff would be nice. No more teching the tech to get the tech to do something it just shouldn't do!

Just to play devil's advocate here though, after Voyager and Enterprise the current cannon has been driven so deep into the ground, is it even worth digging it up? Why not just cover the hole and begin anew?

 

[Trekkin' Trev']

The problem with this whole 'canon' thing is that all the time travel plots can potentially alter the past in subtle ways. Perfect example is First Contact. Although the Borg threat was restored the TNG crew interacted with Cochrane, who got a good look at the Enterprise-E. So perhaps until that happened there hadn't been an NX-01, or perhaps not one designed that way or named Enterprise. Then later on the Borg are discovered in the arctic and escape, which would not have been a past known event from the pov of TNG pre-FC. There was also stuff on Voyager where they went back to 1996 and computer technology was affected or something and then all of that other headache-inducing time travel stuff on Enterprise with Daniels, etc. So the timeline has already been majorly screwed with and if the rumors are true that there is actually once again time travel in ST:XI then anything can be changed. They've gone to that well way too many times and it has just made things too easy as well as too confusing.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Trekkin' Trev' said:
The problem with this whole 'canon' thing is that all the time travel plots can potentially alter the past in subtle ways. Perfect example is First Contact. Although the Borg threat was restored the TNG crew interacted with Cochrane, who got a good look at the Enterprise-E. So perhaps until that happened there hadn't been an NX-01, or perhaps not one designed that way or named Enterprise. Then later on the Borg are discovered in the arctic and escape, which would not have been a past known event from the pov of TNG pre-FC. There was also stuff on Voyager where they went back to 1996 and computer technology was affected or something and then all of that other headache-inducing time travel stuff on Enterprise with Daniels, etc. So the timeline has already been majorly screwed with and if the rumors are true that there is actually once again time travel in ST:XI then anything can be changed. They've gone to that well way too many times and it has just made things too easy as well as too confusing.

It can also be argued that all of those instances of time-travel were simply part of history all along. There was never any version of history where they didn't happen. Indeed, in "Future's End" Janeway even points out that the Federation itself owes its existence to time travel - without it, Henry Starling could never have jumpstarted the computer revolution.

And the Borg drones frozen after ST:FC, and unearthed in ENT, were part of a causality loop. They sent the signal that the Borg in TNG ("Q Who") picked up and followed to Earth.

 

[Dane_Whitman]

Babaganoosh said:
And the Borg drones frozen after ST:FC, and unearthed in ENT, were part of a causality loop. They sent the signal that the Borg in TNG ("Q Who") picked up and followed to Earth.

In the Voyager episode "Relativity" it was even explicitely stated that the events of "Star Trek: First Contact" were part of a predestination paradox.

 

[-Brett-]

RedSpar said:
I have this weird gut feeling the new Trek movie is going to be set no more than 50 yrs from present day.

No. That would be idiotic. If they were going to change such details, it seems they would move it farther into the future. At this rate, we won't even get to Mars by the 23rd century, much less to other star systems.

-Enterprise is being built on Earth, in what looks like it could be a contemporary shipyard

-Guy with goggles and a stick welder is welding hull plates of the Enterprise

So? Do you expect that hull plates will just magically come together in the future? Or that human eyes no longer need protecting?

-Area 51 rumors about the build site of the Enterprise (proved untrue, yet Orci is still dubious about location)

Rumors. Proven untrue. Even if they weren't, do you think that a chunk of Nevada would just disappear in the future?

-Roberto Orci says this: Both the literal interpretation that we are putting the movie together, but also to convey the idea that this is something that this is something that could be coming soon.

Soon is a relative term. On the scale it'd realistically be likely to happen, 300 years is fairly soon.