Doesn't matter, since TOS didn't explicitly say that the Romulans attacked Earth the audience would still dislike it.
I Hate The Klingon Race
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Doesn't matter, since TOS didn't explicitly say that the Romulans attacked Earth the audience would still dislike it.
If it was good, 99% of the fanbase wouldn't care about the continuity errors. Just look at Star Trek XI or X-Men: First Class.
Simple really, just have the Romulans never leave their ships. If any ground warfare needs to take place, just have the Romulans use alien mercenaries. There, I just improved season 3 of Enterprise. I didn't have to make up some villain race that we will never see again, I didn't have to bring in any of that Temporal Cold War bullshit, sometimes less is more.
I minded, that's enough in my book. TNG, DS9, and VOY could have done a much better job of tying themselves back to TOS. If you keep using one-off races like TOS did, they'll all start to blend together after a while and become one forgettable gestalt. The only reason TOS could get away with it was because it came first. It's usually not a good idea for a prequel to introduce species that won't show up in the original series or any of its sequels.
They could only use the aliens from TOS that appeared more than once, like the Vulcans/Romulans/Klingons/Andorians. The rest, they would've had to pay royalties to the Estates of the original writers who wrote those episodes (ENT had to pay money for their usage of the Tholians and Gorn).
I don't see any problems with the Cardassians or the Dominion aliens or whatever. Why should they be excluded in favor of...I dunno, those things from "Catspaw"?
I don't see any problems with the Cardassians or the Dominion aliens or whatever. Why should they be excluded in favor of...I dunno, those things from "Catspaw"?
Imagine there was an alien species, and 99.9% of the humans they ever encountered were United States Marines, for whatever reason.
There view of mankind might be a bit distorted...
There view of mankind might be a bit distorted...
That sounds really boring.
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I dont know marines, but dont they have all kind of personalities within the ranks?
How can anyone hate the Klingons? They were well respected adversaries in the original series and films.
It was the so-called modern era that took them to new heights and made them a so-called honorable race that irks some.
It was the so-called modern era that took them to new heights and made them a so-called honorable race that irks some.
You know, it might just be because they were rarely used to their full creative potential, but I always found the Romulans to be kind of dull. The Klingons, at their best, remain my favorite. That could be solely because there's just more material to choose from.
The Romulans always just struck me as really smarmy Vulcans. That's probably very inaccurate, but that's just how I always saw them.
The Romulans always just struck me as really smarmy Vulcans. That's probably very inaccurate, but that's just how I always saw them.
The few TOS Romulans we saw were depicted as being honorable warriors carrying out their duties for the greater good of their empire. The TOS Klingons--with the exception of Kang, IMO--often came across as sneaky and treacherous conquerors, not afraid to use deceptive tricks to achieve their goals.
TNG changed all that. Worf seemed to be very much like Kang in the sense that he regarded himself as warrior first and foremost. I think from there the idea of Klingons being honorable--as far as not showing cowardice in battle--came from. On the other hand, you have the scheming and lying Duras who I think was much more in spirit to TOS-era Klingons.
TNG changed all that. Worf seemed to be very much like Kang in the sense that he regarded himself as warrior first and foremost. I think from there the idea of Klingons being honorable--as far as not showing cowardice in battle--came from. On the other hand, you have the scheming and lying Duras who I think was much more in spirit to TOS-era Klingons.
Just realised how even though it's a fictional race how racist the thread title sounds
Anyways, I can't stand Klingons. Every episode featuring a Klingon 98% of the time shows them as drunken thugs spouting about honour, victory and glory. They happily threaten people with violence all the time even when it's uncalled for and brandish knifes and weapons like it's a new ipod.
What makes it worse is that episode after episode show that they are as hypocritical a species as you can get. Their 'honour' is laughable as they have been shown to be as devious and politicking as the best Romulan. And why the hell does everything come down to honour? I mean I wouldn't be suprised if it would be considered a dishonour to the host if you left gagh on your plate.
What I'm trying to get at here is Klingons are flat out boring. They have so many episodes dedicated to them and yet most feature cliche after cliche being spouted from dislikable morons who I'm suprised as a species even managed to discover warp travel. The only Klingons I ever really warmed to were General Martok, Worf, and Gowron. All at least acted more than a walking parody.
This is came off as one big rant and it may be an unpopular opinion but the sooner trek stops being so obsessed about Klingons and focuses on infinitly more interesting races like say the Romulans, the better.
Hey, I'm right there with ya. Every time some Klingon starts puffing up and snarling, I just wish a creature of some other race would kinda sigh and then disintegrate him in mid-sentence. You'd think other races would catch on eventually, and kill them the second they start snarling.
One thing that irks me about them is how they're supposed to be so macho, such quintessential warriors, but they "revere and respect their women, and their battle prowess." Lame. Half-assed, really. If Klingons were written honestly, they'd be misogynists (and the Ferengi would be the ones with gender equality, respecting only the lobes for business). They also don't seem to take soldiering very seriously. I mean, personal combat, with those silly unusable hand weapons? Real soldiers use their most effective weapons first, and their least effective ones last. But then, they're also disciplined, loyal, sober, intelligent, care about mission goals, and prefer surviving to win another victory, not glorious death.
What I really want to know is, who designs all their tech? It sure ain't the drunken, swaggering, belligerent, stupid Klingons.
Maybe I'm being too hard on them, though. They are entertaining, and dysfunctional types make for much easier storytelling than competent types. E.g., it's very easy to get Klingons to go on a quest, start a fight, etc.
I've never been in the military. In fact, I would never join the military. But that said, from what I know, if all aliens ever saw of our species was the military (or even just the marines), they'd be seeing a better quality human than the average, not worse.
American enlisted personnel are selected for intelligence (ASVAB, or whatever they're calling it now), and they're smarter than the average American. They're certainly more squared away, disciplined, and imbued with purpose. Far less prone to drunkenness, addiction, crime, and other pathologies.
That goes double for officers, who are generally college educated.
Edit: what was really funny to me, as I met more and more military people as life went on, was how many of them were D&D or Trekkie or comic-reading (or whatever) nerds. I don't mean that in a bad way, btw. I was just always surprised by that. The more I met, the more that CGI commercial recruiting for the Marines with a guy fighting a dragon in a volcano-like setting made perfect sense.
Exactly. So they'd be flying around in second-rate warships. Glorious, honorable, macho, second-rate warships.
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I think my main problem with the Klingons isn't the Klingons. It's with everyone else tolerating them. They should be adversaries, not allies. Not welcome ones, anyway. It's the whole PC approach that bugs me.
Like a previous poster said, why should humans understand the Klingon concept of honor? But going a step further, why should they tolerate it?
I'm reminded of an anecdote from the British rule of India. The Indians explained to some British muckety-muck who objected when they were about to burn a widow on her dead husband's pyre. "But sir, it is Indian tradition to burn widows on their husbands' pyre," or somesuch. To which he replied, "sir, it is our tradition to hang men who burn widows," or words to that effect. Indeed.
Given their behavior, most civilized species should openly hate Klingons. Klingon-worshippers like Jadziya would be reviled, or at least mocked. Quark should be considered at the sympathetic end of the spectrum, not the other way around. And given their propensity for senseless violence, why don't they clear out the room wherever they go? Or provoke violent reactions by their very presence. The intelligent thing to do when Klingons enter the room is to draw and point your phaser.
They don't behave like civilized beings, so why are they treated as such?
Like a previous poster said, why should humans understand the Klingon concept of honor? But going a step further, why should they tolerate it?
I'm reminded of an anecdote from the British rule of India. The Indians explained to some British muckety-muck who objected when they were about to burn a widow on her dead husband's pyre. "But sir, it is Indian tradition to burn widows on their husbands' pyre," or somesuch. To which he replied, "sir, it is our tradition to hang men who burn widows," or words to that effect. Indeed.
Given their behavior, most civilized species should openly hate Klingons. Klingon-worshippers like Jadziya would be reviled, or at least mocked. Quark should be considered at the sympathetic end of the spectrum, not the other way around. And given their propensity for senseless violence, why don't they clear out the room wherever they go? Or provoke violent reactions by their very presence. The intelligent thing to do when Klingons enter the room is to draw and point your phaser.
They don't behave like civilized beings, so why are they treated as such?
I liked the Xindi. They were at least interesting to look at. It was really nice to see the insectoids - something other than people in suits (okay, so it's not any of the previous creators' fault the tech wasn't there for them to do something similar, but still) And they turned the usual ST conflation of race and species on its head, which is nice.
What is civilized? For all we know, the Klingons could have the right idea and the Federation is the odd man out. Look at all the other nations out there: the Cardassians, Romulans, Tzenkethi, Breen, Ferengi, Talarians and so on are more like the Klingons than they are like the Federation. People still associate with the Klingons because they are too damn powerful to be ignored. The Klingons command fleets that could go toe-to-toe with Starfleet.
Don't mistake the Klingon's boisterousness for stupidity, they are quite adept at saying one thing and doing the other. For every Klingon that supposedly act "honorably" there are two that act more devious than any Romulan.
Don't mistake the Klingon's boisterousness for stupidity, they are quite adept at saying one thing and doing the other. For every Klingon that supposedly act "honorably" there are two that act more devious than any Romulan.
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