I Forgot How Good Some Early VOY Eps Were!

[Red Ranger]

Peeps,

I've been catching some of the early VOY eps and I forgot how good some of them were!

I'm not that up on the ep titles, so pardon me as I refer to them by what happened in the eps. I was specifically impressed by the ones where: (a) Kes is inhabited by the mind of a vicious warlord, and (b) where Janeway thinks she's dead and sees her father Admiral Janeway, played by Len Cariou.

In the Kes/Warlord one, I was particularly impressed with how strong an actress Jennifer Lien was, acting like a crazed male warrior who also uses sex as a weapon, esp. when she/he taunts Tuvok about his supposed desire for Kes. And I liked the scene showing Tyrin (sp) fighting that mental battle with Kes, too.

In the Janeway-beats-death one, I really liked the scene where they all pay tribute to her at her funeral. And I enjoyed her verbal sparring with Cariou's character.

Anyone else have similar thoughts?

Red Ranger

 

[exodus]

^^Haven't I been telling you to give the show a second chance?

I think someone owes me an apology.

 

[Christopher]

The first three seasons had plenty of excellent episodes. Remember, Michael Piller ran the first two seasons (or supervised Jeri Taylor running them), and Taylor ran the third and co-ran the fourth with Braga, before Braga took over fully for the fifth and sixth seasons (turning it over to Kenneth Biller in the seventh). The third season was probably the strongest overall, thanks in large part to Lisa Klink, who wrote such potent episodes as "Sacred Ground," "Remember," and "Warlord" (giving the show's female leads one strong focus episode apiece).

I agree that "Warlord" was a fabulous showcase episode for Jennifer Lien, really showing what she was capable of. She was wonderful there. Gods, what a voice. Not that I have anything against Jeri Ryan or Seven, but they were really unwise to let Lien go.

"Coda" (the Janeway near-death episode) was by Jeri Taylor, and incorporated elements of Janeway's biography from Taylor's novel Mosaic (namely the specifics of how and where her father died). I'm not too fond of the mucking about with time loops in the first couple of acts, but the last half is quite strong.

 

[Red Ranger]

exodus said:
^^Haven't I been telling you to give the show a second chance?

I think someone owes me an apology.

Hmm, let me think about apologizing -- nope!

P.S.: What's with that corny sig you have now? Come to think of it, a lot of your sigs are so not alpha male!

 

[hawk200]

I have said it before and I will say it again.The first three years were the best three years of Voyager.
After Kes left things were not the same for me.
Yes,I did look at all of the rest of the series.

H200

 

[exodus]

Red Ranger said:

exodus said:
^^Haven't I been telling you to give the show a second chance?

I think someone owes me an apology.

Hmm, let me think about apologizing -- nope!

P.S.: What's with that corny sig you have now? Come to think of it, a lot of your sigs are so not alpha male!

Bite me!


Hawk200 . I'm re-discovering early seasons of Voyager. I think the writing in the first few seasons were much tighter. The characters more pronounced, even Neelix stood out more in early seasons.

 

[kimc]

exodus said:
Hawk200 . I'm re-discovering early seasons of Voyager. I think the writing in the first few seasons were much tighter. The characters more pronounced, even Neelix stood out more in early seasons.

Preach it! :thumbsup:

 

[exodus]

kimc said:

exodus said:
Hawk200 . I'm re-discovering early seasons of Voyager. I think the writing in the first few seasons were much tighter. The characters more pronounced, even Neelix stood out more in early seasons.

Preach it! :thumbsup:

 

[mr.peany]

Season 2 and 3 featured some of the best trek ever.

The start of "Alliances" was all kinds of awesome. In addition it features 2 of my favourite 'guilty pleasure' Star Trek episodes: "Dreadnaught" and "Deadlock".

 

[kimc]

Also, my three favorites "Resistance", "Death Wish" and "Meld".

I also love the whole Seska arc.

 

[exodus]

I liked how during the first few seasons, Voyager used real science experiments and theories in many of the stories. Before technobabble solved everything.

Then again, Technobabble has been solving things for along time in Trek. I just noticed the other day while watching TNG, Dr. Crusher cured any and every illness with "Anaprovaline". It's like God's miracle in a tube.

 

[TimelessTrek]

Actually of all the seasons of VOY, I thought the first 2 1/2 were the worst (not to say they were bad, just not as good as later seasons).

 

[exodus]

TimelessTrek said:
Actually of all the seasons of VOY, I thought the first 2 1/2 were the worst (not to say they were bad, just not as good as later seasons).

I used to think so too but watching them again resently has changed my mind about them.

While Seven being added and Kes leaving was needed, I think if Voyager would have stayed similar to the first years concept of the show, I think we would have gotten a smarter more satisfying show. A show they relied less on technology to solve issue but more on the strengths of the crew. More of a thinking show and less of a technobabble one.

 

[TimelessTrek]

^^^ Yeah, it would have been interesting to see how the show turned out. I for one, though, do not miss the Kazons or Seska...I never found them to be interesting...just poor mens' Klingons.

 

[Good Will Riker]

I actually consider Season 2 to be the strongest and most consistent year of "Star Trek: Voyager."

The majority of my favorite VOY episodes such as "Tuvix," "Lifesigns," "Dreadnought," and "Resolutions" come from this season.

 

[Jack Bauer]

I thought the first season is way better than the credit it gets. I found a lot of episodes in season 2 to be rather dull (like Tattoo and Cold Fire). I think the middle seasons 3,4 and 5 are the best of the lot.

 

[exodus]

TimelessTrek said:
^^^ Yeah, it would have been interesting to see how the show turned out. I for one, though, do not miss the Kazons or Seska...I never found them to be interesting...just poor mens' Klingons.

The Kazon were nothing like the Klingons.

 

[!LuvKJ]

Season two had some real good episodes but they were always overshadowed by the big stinkers. I think Meld is one of those terribly underrated star trek episodes. The guy who plays Lon Suder was great.

 

[TimelessTrek]

exodus said:

TimelessTrek said:
^^^ Yeah, it would have been interesting to see how the show turned out. I for one, though, do not miss the Kazons or Seska...I never found them to be interesting...just poor mens' Klingons.

The Kazon were nothing like the Klingons.

They acted like it. Very warrior/domination oriented in culture (or lack thereof)...seemed kinda dumb, like they weren't mentally ready to be exploring space and just happened upon the technology somehow....even the dark skin color, weird makeup/hair remind me of Klingons.

So when you take all that into account, they're more like Klingons than any other race I've seen in Trek.

 

[Red Ranger]

exodus said:

Red Ranger said:

exodus said:
^^Haven't I been telling you to give the show a second chance?

I think someone owes me an apology.

Hmm, let me think about apologizing -- nope!

P.S.: What's with that corny sig you have now? Come to think of it, a lot of your sigs are so not alpha male!

Bite me!


Hawk200 . I'm re-discovering early seasons of Voyager. I think the writing in the first few seasons were much tighter. The characters more pronounced, even Neelix stood out more in early seasons.

You wish I'd bite you! Don't hold your breath, 'cause it won't happen!

Overall, I still think the whole body of VOY's eps are weaker than the other series' but some of you have mentioned lots of gems, like "Death Wisth," and "Tuvix." Frankly, I kind of like the character of Tuvix better than either Tuvok or Neelix.

I do agree that Neelix was written better in the beginning, before they made him Emeril LaGasse in space!

Red Ranger