I felt a little discomfortable when Kirk ordered fire all weapons on Nero
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I had no problem with it..
He neutralized the Narada, offered him quarter, he refused, Kirk wanted to make sure that he didn't appear in another universe with a possibility of fixing his ship, so he totaled it.
Now, they've shown that a red matter blackhole isn't a true black hole, just a bridge to another timeline/universe. So the Narada's remains will appear at some time, some universe eventually.
He neutralized the Narada, offered him quarter, he refused, Kirk wanted to make sure that he didn't appear in another universe with a possibility of fixing his ship, so he totaled it.
Now, they've shown that a red matter blackhole isn't a true black hole, just a bridge to another timeline/universe. So the Narada's remains will appear at some time, some universe eventually.
This post made the following thought occur to me. I always wondered how Voyager 6 survived falling into a black hole and why (presumably) there would be a BH in the vicinity of our solar system. Did it fall into a red matter-type BH? Wrong forum...
That's a good idea. In Voyager they sometimes used quantum singularity interchangeable with black holes and Species 8472 used them to travel to and from their dimension. They also used black star for black hole in TOS. Maybe it's all the same kinda thing.
Gene's Vision, or something. Apparently. Probably.
IIRC, the exact wording in TMP is that the Voyager 6 probe fell into "what was once called a black hole." Which I guess would mean it was presumed to be a black hole at the time, but was since learned to be something else.
There is a theoretical white hole which may provide an "exit" for an object which has gone into a particular kind of black hole.
Could that be an answer to what happened with Voyager 6? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe?
Could such a phenomenon be produced using red matter? Again, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It was kinda at odds with the whole utopian ideal of Starfleet, yeah, and Kirk definitely felt a little bloodthirsty. To us, sitting at home watching it through a screen, sure, he seems unjustifiably violent.
But I think the in-universe situation needs to be considered as well.
Kirk and the Enterprise have just witnessed a near-total genocide of an entire planet. Spock just saw his mother and his home get turned into cosmic dust in front of him. As someone else has pointed out, 6 billion souls lost - quite literally a thousand times worse than the Holocaust.
No matter how peaceful or diplomatic you are to begin with - which Kirk is most certainly not - this isn't just something you can shrug off and say, "oh well, but the Federation stands for peace!" The film makes it abundantly clear that he's human, with all the flaws that come with it, and he's gonna act on that human impulse. I'm not saying he's right or wrong, I'm saying it's in character for how he was set up.
But I think the in-universe situation needs to be considered as well.
Kirk and the Enterprise have just witnessed a near-total genocide of an entire planet. Spock just saw his mother and his home get turned into cosmic dust in front of him. As someone else has pointed out, 6 billion souls lost - quite literally a thousand times worse than the Holocaust.
No matter how peaceful or diplomatic you are to begin with - which Kirk is most certainly not - this isn't just something you can shrug off and say, "oh well, but the Federation stands for peace!" The film makes it abundantly clear that he's human, with all the flaws that come with it, and he's gonna act on that human impulse. I'm not saying he's right or wrong, I'm saying it's in character for how he was set up.
^But it was Spock who was being even more "human" (though certainly not humane) than Kirk in the moment. Spock didn't even want to offer to save Nero's crew, but it's Kirk who gets vilified for opening fire on a ship that posed an unacceptable risk to the timeline after Nero refused Kirk's offer to be rescued.
Well, he is the captain.
Nero was a total asshole. I’m glad Kirk blasted him all to shit.
Also, this is a different timeline/universe than the original one. There are bound to be some personality differences between the Kelvin crew and ours, even if superficial mannerisms and catchphrases are similar or the same.
That, and what Nero did was "not entirely unlike Kruge, but a multitude of times far worse". Even the original Kirk got fed up with Kruge. Can't blame him.
