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The Soloist has an interesting plot if it involves Vulcan coming out the otherside of a red-matter black hole inverted.
I don't think Vulcan [SPOILERS]
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When's season four start? 24 is over, House is over, Smallville is over. I need entertainment!
The Soloist has an interesting plot if it involves Vulcan coming out the otherside of a red-matter black hole inverted.
"Inverted"?
Yes, so Kirk and Khan can have a lightsabre duel on this inverted lava planet in the sequel.
Why is there all this hate for Vulcans?
Thank you, Flaemgrape, I don't understand it either. It's like people WANT Vulcan to be destroyed! Usually when something like this happens all the Trekkeries are trying desperately to come up with a reason why it DIDN'T happen. Remember when Trip died and his army of housewife fans made up excuses why he wasn't "really" dead? We need to apply that kind of thinking to Vulcan (though without the lust, obviously.)
"Inverted" is to show the the black hole has had an effect.
"Inverted" is to show the the black hole has had an effect.
It's NOT that people WANTED Vulcan to be destroyed. It's that, finally, when something of major consequence happens in the Trek universe, it's not immediately erased by a "re-set button" conclusion. Someone above pointed out that his reaction to Vulcan's destruction was subdued because he believed the film would end, like all other Trek stories, with a giant re-set and Vulcan would be "back to normal". He only felt the destruction was shocking AFTER the film, when he realized it wasn't going to be "re-set". I had faith that Abrams and co. would NOT use a re-set button so when Vulcan was destroyed, it had a dramatic impact that it would have lacked if I'd been convinced it was going to be "saved" by a re-set button ending.
It is the fact that we don't know the outcome, for anyone or anything, in this new timeline that is worth endorsing. Vulcan's destruction is particularly strong proof of that--and that's why there are some of us who do NOT want to rationalize it away. It's not as dramatically satisfying.
Of course it'll be reset by not mentioning its destruction in the sequels anyway.
(IF you're all right and it really didn't survive the sucking effect of the black hole like I think it might have...)
(IF you're all right and it really didn't survive the sucking effect of the black hole like I think it might have...)
The black hole IS Vulcan (the mass for the singularity is the mass of the planet--Vulcan didn't go anywhere, it collapsed upon itself). And "not mentioning" equals "re-set"? Really? I didn't mention the bombing of Dresden yesterday to anyone--does that mean it's been "re-set" and "never happened"? Or to use a more appropriate fictional example--none of the TOS films ever mentioned the destruction of Mr. Atoz's planet (name escapes me at the moment). That equals a "re-set"? You're really grasping at straws here to live in denial (especially wasted when it is a denial of a fictional event).
MadBaggins is a Vulcanocaust-Denier.
That was in the sixties. The network wouldn't let them have continuity between shows there for fear it would confuse viewers. I'm sure Gene wanted to.
And if the "mass" of Vulcan makes the black hole, then what "mass" makes the black holes the Narada and the Jellyfish travel through!?
And if the "mass" of Vulcan makes the black hole, then what "mass" makes the black holes the Narada and the Jellyfish travel through!?
Wrong again. In By Any Other Name, Kirk reminds Spock of his "telepathic suggestion" on Eminiar 7. So there was no "network rule" against it. Try again.
The troublesome star that necessitated the use of "red matter" in the first place. Did you not see the movie?
I don't remember that part clearly.
Spock, via mind meld, explains to Kirk that he got to the troublesome star too late to save Romulus, hence Nero's anger, but still delivered the red matter into the star (as it threatened more than just Romulus). The result of the interaction between the red matter and the star created the singularity that carried Nero and Spock into the past.
This much is obvious.
For what it is worth, your hypothesis on Vulcan STILL ignores that the planet was ripped apart from the inside out!
I don't think that's how it happened in Countdown.
But anyway you have to remember this is still science FICTION and if the writers want Vulcan to survive (and given fan outrage at its destruction THEY MAY WELL) then they can treknobabble a way.
But anyway you have to remember this is still science FICTION and if the writers want Vulcan to survive (and given fan outrage at its destruction THEY MAY WELL) then they can treknobabble a way.
I have a feeling the "fan outrage" (and if this board is any indication, that number of fans is actually quite small) isn't even going to register with them.
They won't. Get over it. The "outrage" isn't enough to light up a 15w candelabra bulb.
It is.
You're overestimating how much outrage there is. In fact, a vast majority of people are taking it pretty well. Not only is Vulcan dead, it is going to stay dead.
Conspicuously absent from Alderran when it was destroyed *AND* she had Han Solo fly the Millenium Falcon to the Rebel base on Yavin 4 *KNOWING* the ship was being tracked.
I don't trust this broad.
And thus the Temporal Cold War is started...
The Star Trek Phase II / New Voyages / Whatever they're calling it this month isn't bad at all, in fact. http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/
I have a week's pay that says if you had framed your story in an alternate timeline similar to how this movie was done, it would have been considered.
Incidentally, no one gave a crap when Captain Taggart of the U.S.S. Repulse was suddenly a WOMAN in Peter David's "Vendetta."
I'm just happy Star Trek can finally "boldly go" without knowing how it's all going to end. NOW it can end with Shatner playing an old Kirk (if they really wanted).
I've seen a LOT of outrage on IMDB and that is the most popular board on the planet Earth.
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