I don't think Vulcan [SPOILERS]
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What the F-?
In this move that is called Star Trek, the planet Vulcan was destroyed.
This much is totally, absolutely certain. They are stupid for destroying Vulcan and violating Star Trek canon in such an egregious way, and everyone who has said "just one pon'farr cycle will fix it" is less than worthless. They just killed the most interesting race in the galaxy.
We haven't got time travel. Yet. One day one of the first applications may be to stop this move from having been made.
In this move that is called Star Trek, the planet Vulcan was destroyed.
This much is totally, absolutely certain. They are stupid for destroying Vulcan and violating Star Trek canon in such an egregious way, and everyone who has said "just one pon'farr cycle will fix it" is less than worthless. They just killed the most interesting race in the galaxy.
We haven't got time travel. Yet. One day one of the first applications may be to stop this move from having been made.
I find it interesting how so many Trek fans are tired of the writers/producers of playing things safe with their storytelling, which is one reason why Enterprise was so hated because it was "business-as-usual" and played things safe. But when something is done to really shake things up and take risks and do things different, so many of those same fans disregard it and hate because it doesn't stick to what's been done before.
Is it just me? Or is that a little contradictory?
Do I like Vulcan? Yes. Did I want to see it destroyed? No. But it sure as hell shook things up. I was shocked and I was incredibly entertained and I loved the hell out of what it meant for this new Star Trek universe. I say it's time to see what someone else can do by going back to the beginning of Gene Roddenberry's creation and taking it from there. We still have over 700 hours of Star Trek that we are all comfortable (for the most part) with. If you don't like the new stuff we get, dive back into the od stuff. In the mean time, I say we just try to enjoy what we can!
Is it just me? Or is that a little contradictory?
Do I like Vulcan? Yes. Did I want to see it destroyed? No. But it sure as hell shook things up. I was shocked and I was incredibly entertained and I loved the hell out of what it meant for this new Star Trek universe. I say it's time to see what someone else can do by going back to the beginning of Gene Roddenberry's creation and taking it from there. We still have over 700 hours of Star Trek that we are all comfortable (for the most part) with. If you don't like the new stuff we get, dive back into the od stuff. In the mean time, I say we just try to enjoy what we can!
It is. But don't be fooled by the screams and rants: actually most trekkies loved the movie, even if they were shaken by the events depicted. Hell, just on this forum, 85% of people voted positively for the movie and among them 65% voted Excellent. Those who hate it are just much, much more vocal.
Vulcan is not really gone, as long as we remember it.
Plus, I'm pretty sure it mind-melded with Delta Vega and transferred it's katra, so it's got that going for it.
Plus, I'm pretty sure it mind-melded with Delta Vega and transferred it's katra, so it's got that going for it.
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Give me an A, Give me an L, Give me a T, Give me an E, Give me an R, Give me an N, Give me an A, Give me a T, Give me an E, Give me a T, Give me an I, Give me an M, Give me an E, Give me an L, Give me an I, Give me an N, Give me an E.
What does it spell.
Nah they would probably use it to go back in time and watch it in theaters seeing as it's made more money than any other Trekmovie and probably revived the franchise.
Vulcan is actually a very important place in the Star Trek universe.
Creating a story where Vulcan is destroyed is sheer stupidity, especially since the planet is around in series which takes place AFTER the events in the movie. OK, they can rant about "alternate timelines" but for some strange reason everyone seem to claim that this new "alternate" timeline is the "right one" and everything Star trek should be adapted to this new timeline.
If I had written a similar story and sent it to PocketBooks some years ago, the script would have been returned with a reminder about how to NOT violate existing Star Trek canon.
It is not certain AT ALL. The Narruda and the Jellysquid were sucked into a black who made by the SAME red matter and they both survived. Trekker47 came up with some Treknobabble explanation involving spaghetti and gravity to explain this, so two writers like Bub Orci and the other guy who OBJECTIVELY SPEAKING are FAR more talented writers than Trekker47 will ever be should EASILY be able to come up with a convincing Treknobabble reason why Vulcan survived. Just wait for the trailer for the next movie, it'll start with Spock saying "captain I have reason to believe my home planet is alive..."
THE SEARCH FOR VULCAN BEGINS
Aside from Spock, what important thing has Vulcan given us?
Alternat-
Since this timeline is the one we're going to be seeing and not the other one, you can either accept it or not. Watch the new stuff or watch the old stuff that you've already seen dozens of times. Not one person is saying this is how it "should have been" or "should be". No one is saying "this is right and Roddenberry was wrong". We're saying "this is the way it is" because...well...it is.
Because nothing was shown on screen to back a story like this up until now. Canon is what's shown on screen. If someone wrote a book with the same plot at STXI in 2003 it would've been rejected based on canon. Now, not so much. Canon changed. Again, you can accept this and enjoy the movie for what it is (a reboot), or continue to not understand what this movie was and watch STIII subplot of Uhura on Vulcan and shout out how that is evidence that JJ is the devil.
Tuvok
T'Pol
T'Pau
T'Kint
T'Mott
Saavviikkk
Vulcan rocks.
Mind melds.
Other things.
T'Pol
T'Pau
T'Kint
T'Mott
Saavviikkk
Vulcan rocks.
Mind melds.
Other things.
I don't think JJ is the devil. I think he has made a decent movie which could have been even better if it hadn't been for some obvious screw-ups, including the meaningless destruction of Vulcan, something which has created a time paradox.
And yes, I will remain in the original timeline, even if it mean that I have to re-watch old series and movies and re-read the same old books over and over and over again.
I already have 7 seasons of TNG and 3 seasons of Voyager (for certain reasons I only watch seasons 1-3 of Voyager) on DVD. If I buy all seasons of DS9, all seasons of TOS plus the 6 TOS movies, then I will have a lot of stuff to watch when I wait for a new series set in the 24th century or beyond.
You exist here!
The Prophets to Sisko in DS9:s pilot episode "Emissary
Or maybe we didn't see any debris or shockwaves because it all fell into the black hole!!!
Differences between Vulcan/ Narada at the end and Early Narada/ Jellyfish. The Narada in the beginning and the Jellyfish fell into a blackhole. Vulcan and late Narada had a blackhole created inside of them. Vulcan is dead. Very dead. And, if you're right about the blackhole depositing Vulcan in another time, You know what will come out the other end? Lots of sand. Lots of rocks. Certainly nothing particularly habitable.
Are you being Dense on purpose because I can't believe you just can't understand what is being said, EVEN WITH FUCKING CHARTS AND GRAPHS...
Even AFTER I POSTED A NIFTY VIDEO LINK...
Imagining the Tenth Dimension
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjsgoXvnStY
It helps you understand the Theory we are dealing with....
Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed
But that's Pablo to you, sir.
DUDE! you lost me when you called the ''NARADA'' the ''NAROUTA''
But that's Pablo to you, sir.
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