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I don't think Vulcan [SPOILERS]

Great movie! I've seen it three times already and want to see it AT LEAST seven times more! I loved everything about it except ONE THING: Vulcan being destroyed and all the Vulcans dying in agony. That was horrible.

But then I had a thought.

I don't think Vulcan has really been destroyed. Think about it. Think about it carefully. What do we know about red matter? It makes black holes. Now no one knows for sure what would happen if you flew into a black hole in real life. Some say it would kill you. Some say you'd come out the other side but be inside out. Some say other things. But no one KNOWS. But we DO KNOW from this movie what happens when you go through a black whole IN STAR TREK. You travel back in time!

The Narouta went through a black hole. It came out in the past. Spock's Jellysquid went through a black hole. It came out IN THE PAST. Are you seeing a pattern here?

Vulcan hasn't been destroyed. It has been sucked through a black hole BACK IN TIME or possibly to another universe. Yes, it looked like it was collapsing in on itself. But we don't see a big shockwave like when Praxis blew up in Final Frontier. Or any debris. That is because there was no shockwave or debris BECAUSE VULCAN WASN'T DESTROYED.

Maybe it will come out inverted, who knows, but it WILL come out the other side somewhere. Bank on it. I think the next movie will be about the search for Vulcan, just like the second original movie was about the search for Spock. It's a mirror. I can't wait to see it. Vulcan lives on...and prospers.

No, it hasn't been destroyed. We can see it in Star Trek III-the search for Spock" and since the events in that movie takes place after the events in the current movie, Vulcan is still there.
 
Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

The Narada and Jellyfish went through the singularity, Vulcan collapsed and formed one. When the Narada was struck and formed a singularity it could not escape and was destroyed by the Enterprise. Vulcan is gone. :rommie:

What? You don't think Vulcan could have gone through the red matter black hole like sand goes through an hour glass?

Think about it.

:vulcan:
 
Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

The Narada and Jellyfish went through the singularity, Vulcan collapsed and formed one. When the Narada was struck and formed a singularity it could not escape and was destroyed by the Enterprise. Vulcan is gone. :rommie:

What? You don't think Vulcan could have gone through the red matter black hole like sand goes through an hour glass?

Think about it.

:vulcan:
The key word is "sand."
 
No, it hasn't been destroyed. We can see it in Star Trek III-the search for Spock" and since the events in that movie takes place after the events in the current movie, Vulcan is still there.

Lynx, have you seen the new movie?

:cardie:
 
Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

The Narada and Jellyfish went through the singularity, Vulcan collapsed and formed one. When the Narada was struck and formed a singularity it could not escape and was destroyed by the Enterprise. Vulcan is gone. :rommie:

What? You don't think Vulcan could have gone through the red matter black hole like sand goes through an hour glass?

Think about it.

:vulcan:

If you stick a big rock in the top of the hour glass is it going to go through to the bottom? it would need breaking down into dust first, would it turn back into a rock at the bottom? NO.

No, it hasn't been destroyed. We can see it in Star Trek III-the search for Spock" and since the events in that movie takes place after the events in the current movie, Vulcan is still there.

Lynx, have you seen the new movie?

:cardie:

Obviously not. :lol:
 
Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

The planet crumbled apart. It's gone.

And we DO know what happens to things that fall into blackholes. They get pulled so long and thing their atomic structure falls apart.

Tell that to Spock and Nero. Their atomic structures didn't look very FALLEN APART to me.


But we DID see Vulcan become a giant sinkhole in space.

While smaller objects apparently could survive entering the black hole once it had been established, I don't think the planet held together after being slowly pulled in as the black hole formed.

Two different situations entirely.

Plus, the surface of Vulcan was crumbling to pieces before it was even sucked into the black hole. Even if Vulcan came out some other end, it wouldn't look pretty.
 
Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

Tell that to Spock and Nero. Their atomic structures didn't look very FALLEN APART to me.


But we DID see Vulcan become a giant sinkhole in space.

While smaller objects apparently could survive entering the black hole once it had been established, I don't think the planet held together after being slowly pulled in as the black hole formed.

Two different situations entirely.

Plus, the surface of Vulcan was crumbling to pieces before it was even sucked into the black hole. Even if Vulcan came out some other end, it wouldn't look pretty.

Its a freakin' desert planet! How pretty does it have to look?

:rommie:
 
Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

Plus, the surface of Vulcan was crumbling to pieces before it was even sucked into the black hole. Even if Vulcan came out some other end, it wouldn't look pretty.


"It's dead, Jim."
 
Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

The Narada and Jellyfish went through the singularity, Vulcan collapsed and formed one. When the Narada was struck and formed a singularity it could not escape and was destroyed by the Enterprise. Vulcan is gone. :rommie:

What? You don't think Vulcan could have gone through the red matter black hole like sand goes through an hour glass?

Think about it.

:vulcan:

If you stick a big rock in the top of the hour glass is it going to go through to the bottom? it would need breaking down into dust first, would it turn back into a rock at the bottom? NO.

No, it hasn't been destroyed. We can see it in Star Trek III-the search for Spock" and since the events in that movie takes place after the events in the current movie, Vulcan is still there.

Lynx, have you seen the new movie?

:cardie:

Obviously not. :lol:

Yes, I have and I wasn't that impressed.

Quonos wrote:
Forget it. Lynx is living in the Old Timeline. Leave Lynx be.
Why must stating an opinion always result in a personal attack? Lack of arguments?

As for the "new" or more correct alternate timeline, it sucks. Therefore I dismiss it, just like every day when I thow out garbage.
 
Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

As for the "new" or more correct alternate timeline, it sucks. Therefore I dismiss it, just like every day when I thow out garbage.
Nothing about the new timeline is "more correct." One is as correct as the other. They exist simultaneously.
 
Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

Tell that to Spock and Nero. Their atomic structures didn't look very FALLEN APART to me.


But we DID see Vulcan become a giant sinkhole in space.

While smaller objects apparently could survive entering the black hole once it had been established, I don't think the planet held together after being slowly pulled in as the black hole formed.

Two different situations entirely.

Plus, the surface of Vulcan was crumbling to pieces before it was even sucked into the black hole. Even if Vulcan came out some other end, it wouldn't look pretty.

Vulcan = Mustafar :p
 
Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

What? You don't think Vulcan could have gone through the red matter black hole like sand goes through an hour glass?

Think about it.

:vulcan:

If you stick a big rock in the top of the hour glass is it going to go through to the bottom? it would need breaking down into dust first, would it turn back into a rock at the bottom? NO.



Obviously not. :lol:

Yes, I have and I wasn't that impressed.

Quonos wrote:
Forget it. Lynx is living in the Old Timeline. Leave Lynx be.
Why must stating an opinion always result in a personal attack? Lack of arguments?

As for the "new" or more correct alternate timeline, it sucks. Therefore I dismiss it, just like every day when I thow out garbage.

Unlike the old timeline where Romulus was destroyed by a supernova.
 
Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

Quonos said:
Forget it. Lynx is living in the Old Timeline. Leave Lynx be.
Why must stating an opinion always result in a personal attack? Lack of arguments?

Lynx, how do you interpret this as an "attack"? You do prefer the Old Timeline, right? And you aren't planning on reading anything or watching any movies that use the new timeline, right? You're throwing it out "like garbage," right? You are in fact living, metaphorically at least, in the Old Timeline. So...where's the attack? You were teased a bit, maybe.
 
We need to remember that possibly the Romulan ship and the Jellyfish has such strong gravity generators and structrual-integrity that they can negate the forces of a blackhole (spaghetification, specificily.)

The planet, however, has neither of these things. The black hole also was formed INSIDE the planet. The planet pretty much imploded. If we ignore the spaghetification effect and just assume this was a simple "hole in space" the planet may have just traveled through it if it he "red matter" device was used on the outside of th planet and its core.

Vulcan is gone. If it DID come out of the "otherside" of this "black hole" like Spock and Nero did, it came out as clumps of dirt and rock.
 
:lol: It's times like this were I think a complete ''RE-BOOT'' would have worked a lot BETTER! then the whole time-travel alternate reality plot!
 
Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

If you stick a big rock in the top of the hour glass is it going to go through to the bottom? it would need breaking down into dust first, would it turn back into a rock at the bottom? NO.



Obviously not. :lol:

Yes, I have and I wasn't that impressed.

Quonos wrote:
Forget it. Lynx is living in the Old Timeline. Leave Lynx be.
Why must stating an opinion always result in a personal attack? Lack of arguments?

As for the "new" or more correct alternate timeline, it sucks. Therefore I dismiss it, just like every day when I thow out garbage.

Unlike the old timeline where Romulus was destroyed by a supernova.

Romulus destroyed? No way, it existed in TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT and even in that not-so-good "Nemesis" movie and all those events did take place after the events in the new movie.

So any "destruction" of Romulus is going out with the rest of the garbage.
 
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