I don't think Vulcan [SPOILERS]

[MadBaggins]

Great movie! I've seen it three times already and want to see it AT LEAST seven times more! I loved everything about it except ONE THING: Vulcan being destroyed and all the Vulcans dying in agony. That was horrible.

But then I had a thought.

I don't think Vulcan has really been destroyed. Think about it. Think about it carefully. What do we know about red matter? It makes black holes. Now no one knows for sure what would happen if you flew into a black hole in real life. Some say it would kill you. Some say you'd come out the other side but be inside out. Some say other things. But no one KNOWS. But we DO KNOW from this movie what happens when you go through a black whole IN STAR TREK. You travel back in time!

The Narouta went through a black hole. It came out in the past. Spock's Jellysquid went through a black hole. It came out IN THE PAST. Are you seeing a pattern here?

Vulcan hasn't been destroyed. It has been sucked through a black hole BACK IN TIME or possibly to another universe. Yes, it looked like it was collapsing in on itself. But we don't see a big shockwave like when Praxis blew up in Final Frontier. Or any debris. That is because there was no shockwave or debris BECAUSE VULCAN WASN'T DESTROYED.

Maybe it will come out inverted, who knows, but it WILL come out the other side somewhere. Bank on it. I think the next movie will be about the search for Vulcan, just like the second original movie was about the search for Spock. It's a mirror. I can't wait to see it. Vulcan lives on...and prospers.

 

[Trekker4747]

Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

The planet crumbled apart. It's gone.

And we DO know what happens to things that fall into blackholes. They get pulled so long and thin their atomic structure falls apart.

 

[miraclefan]

Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

DUDE! you lost me when you called the ''NARADA'' the ''NAROUTA''

 

[MadBaggins]

Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

The planet crumbled apart. It's gone.

And we DO know what happens to things that fall into blackholes. They get pulled so long and thing their atomic structure falls apart.

Tell that to Spock and Nero. Their atomic structures didn't look very FALLEN APART to me.

 

[GulDucati]

Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

Actually, the writers in a recent webchat said that the singularity was like a giant whirlpool, and that you could think of Spock's ship and the Narada as capable of circling and navigating the whirlpool. In other words, the structures and abilities of the ships were able to not be torn apart. Perhaps some Vulcan structures could survive to the other side - wherever that would be.

 

[Peter the Younger]

Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

It didn't go through in one piece. It's gone.

However, Slartibartfast is building a new one... oh wait. Wrong franchise.

 

[gastrof]

Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

The planet crumbled apart. It's gone.

And we DO know what happens to things that fall into blackholes. They get pulled so long and thing their atomic structure falls apart.

Tell that to Spock and Nero. Their atomic structures didn't look very FALLEN APART to me.

But we DID see Vulcan become a giant sinkhole in space.

While smaller objects apparently could survive entering the black hole once it had been established, I don't think the planet held together after being slowly pulled in as the black hole formed.

Two different situations entirely.

 

[od0_ital]

Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

But we DO KNOW from this movie what happens when you go through a black whole IN STAR TREK. You travel back in time!

DUDE! you lost me when you called the ''NARADA'' the ''NAROUTA''

That's where I got lost.

I agree to the possibility that Vulcan is somewhere in the past, no tellin' where, not that it matters anyway. Either way, its been destroyed in the new reality. Nero's ship was larger than Spock Prime's, and thus, went further back in time than Spock Prime. The planet was freakin' huge! It could be thousand of years in history.

What I want to know is, where is this colony world Spock wants to settle the 10,000 survivors? Mintaka?

What if Mintaka is the Vulcan from the new alternate reality, sent back by Nero and now populated by proto-Vulcans?

 

[SeerSGB]

Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

The planet crumbled apart. It's gone.

And we DO know what happens to things that fall into blackholes. They get pulled so long and thing their atomic structure falls apart.

You know, I know, anyone with a decent education knows, but where we're talking about the average movie goer not so much. Blackholes are the ultimate "the wizard did it" in mass-market sci-fi.

If they wanted to bring Vulcan back, technobabble some BS and bango Vulcan's back. Remember the only science that matters in a script is science that sounds good when the actors are saying it.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

All I can say to this thread is >>>>>>>>>>>

The planet collapsed, even if a red matter blackhole was different and it got sent somewhere it came out the other end as dust.

 

[Squiggy]

Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

Oh, Madbaggins. How I love thee.

 

[gastrof]

Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

...What I want to know is, where is this colony world Spock wants to settle the 10,000 survivors? Mintaka?

Prime directive would likely prevent that.

Could be the "Vulcanis" colony where Tuvok was born.

Not sure how the timing would work out, tho'.

 

[dahj]

Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

Actually, the whole Nero/Red Matter/Black Hole thing thing was a ruse perpetrated by Davros, Vulcan was actually moved to the Medusa Cascade.

 

[One of None]

Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

The Narada and Jellyfish went through the singularity, Vulcan collapsed and formed one. When the Narada was struck and formed a singularity it could not escape and was destroyed by the Enterprise. Vulcan is gone.

 

[od0_ital]

Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

...What I want to know is, where is this colony world Spock wants to settle the 10,000 survivors? Mintaka?

Prime directive would likely prevent that.

Aww, come on! He's Spock Prime! He can do anything!

 

[Qonos]

Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

Actually, the whole Nero/Red Matter/Black Hole thing thing was a ruse perpetrated by Davros, Vulcan was actually moved to the Medusa Cascade.

Exterminate!

 

[captainduprix]

Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

I couldn't help but think of how much that whole take is similar to what happened in Galaxy Quest: the Red Matter reminded me of the Omega 13 device/Beryllium Sphere thing. Also, Captain Pike on the table made me think of Mathesar: "Now you will face justice, Sarris!"

 

[SeerSGB]

Vulcan is slung forward in time and becomes a new Romulus.

....Hey, put those tomatoes down!

 

[RoJoHen]

Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

All I can say to this thread is >>>>>>>>>>>

The planet collapsed, even if a red matter blackhole was different and it got sent somewhere it came out the other end as dust.

Yes, this is true.

Now, maybe, someday far in the future, all the dust will get caught up in some gravity and spin around for a while and become a NEW planet, which someone might call Vulcan. But I doubt it.

 

[gastrof]

Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

...If they wanted to bring Vulcan back...the only science that matters in a script is science that sounds good when the actors are saying it.

Patrick Stewart (several years ago):
"Carrie Fisher has a story idea where the characters of Star Wars and Star Trek would come together in a single movie."

TV interviewer:
"But isn't Trek in the future of this galaxy, while Star Wars is the distant past of another galaxy?"

Patrick Stewart:
"It's science fiction. We can do whatever we want."