I don't know if I can acept the new movie as canon!
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I'm not yet convinced that this film strays TOO far from canon at all and we are making incorrect plot assumptions based on the limited information we have so far.
There was a trekmovie.com article a while back in which Orci said that while SOME things are different, other things that appear very different to us right now will actually be seen to be consistent with canon.
Here's the quote:
http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob...-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/
There was a trekmovie.com article a while back in which Orci said that while SOME things are different, other things that appear very different to us right now will actually be seen to be consistent with canon.
Here's the quote:
Trekmovie.com: ...So the big question is: Is the destruction of the Kelvin, the canon reason why everything is different?
Bob: It is the reason why some things are different, but not everything is different. Not everything is inconsistent with what might have actually happened, in canon. Some of the things that seem that they are totally different, I will argue, once the film comes out, fall well within what could have been the non-time travel version of this move.
[emphasis mine]
Full article:Bob: It is the reason why some things are different, but not everything is different. Not everything is inconsistent with what might have actually happened, in canon. Some of the things that seem that they are totally different, I will argue, once the film comes out, fall well within what could have been the non-time travel version of this move.
[emphasis mine]
http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob...-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/
number6
Vice Admiral
Ah...sweet reason, I remember ye...
number6
Vice Admiral
Ah...sweet reason, I remember ye...
Just doing my part to bring that out!!
If someone believes the stylistic changes are violations of canon, or one doesn't like some of the choices they've made, then nothing can be done for that person. For example, if the plaque on the Enterprise's bridge alone convinces you the ship was built in San Francisco, or you believe it had to be built in space, then however logical the arguments, that's still fanon, not canon, because nothing on screen establishes exactly where or how the Enterprise was built. NOTHING.
Further, in terms of characters' history and such, given that only what happened on screen is canon, there is precious little they really can violate. We know nothing about the backgrounds of McCoy, Uhura, Sulu, Chekov, or Scotty. We know very little about Pike. And, regarding Kirk and Spock, there are some onscreen contradictions in their backgrounds that the "Supreme Court" itself probably had to sort through.
The bottom line is they say this movie is meant to fit in with what has gone before. They've been very clear about it, such as what Roykirk quoted from Orci above. If they had been cold-starting the franchise, I think they'd have been just as upfront about it from the beginning, and spare no chance to explain why they thought that was necessary. So, I trust them that this movie will fit in with previous Trek history as well as anything else has. Period.
Further, in terms of characters' history and such, given that only what happened on screen is canon, there is precious little they really can violate. We know nothing about the backgrounds of McCoy, Uhura, Sulu, Chekov, or Scotty. We know very little about Pike. And, regarding Kirk and Spock, there are some onscreen contradictions in their backgrounds that the "Supreme Court" itself probably had to sort through.
The bottom line is they say this movie is meant to fit in with what has gone before. They've been very clear about it, such as what Roykirk quoted from Orci above. If they had been cold-starting the franchise, I think they'd have been just as upfront about it from the beginning, and spare no chance to explain why they thought that was necessary. So, I trust them that this movie will fit in with previous Trek history as well as anything else has. Period.
Plumster
Commander
Yarp - fcuk u.
I just don't care anymore. This forum has bludgeoned the care out of me.
On the upside, I no longer care about any canon issues. On the downside, it's now going to be just another movie for me.
On the upside, I no longer care about any canon issues. On the downside, it's now going to be just another movie for me.
That is the only acceptable way to look at it.
Plumster
Commander
"The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the master."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWPlqcIncdQ&feature=related
Or the 'canon' version if you so prefer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQBmTvIwfCQ&feature=related
I plan on trying to enjoy this film whether it fits canon or not. Although I think if I had a choice, I would rather that it DID in fact fit into TOS canon (in the most basic sort of way -- like most TOS episodes fit into TOS as a whole).
I'm just saying that Orci and Abrams have gone on record as telling us that this film respects canon and even that some events 'fall well within what could have been the non-time travel version of this movie' [Orci's words]. If so, then great. If not, then that's not necessarily a deal-breaker. A good film that creates its own new "timeline/history" is OK with me.
I'm simply pointing out that I think there is evidence that much of this film falls in line with TOS more than we all suspect at the moment.
Since many of us look at it differently, if someone finds that unacceptable they have a problem.
As long as someone is wearing a sombrero on the bridge, it'll be canon in my book. 
Seruiously though, I'm tired of this debate. I just want to see the movie.
Seruiously though, I'm tired of this debate. I just want to see the movie.
I see it as a reboot done in a way to placate a bunch of whiners before any whining can begin.
To me, it's new the way bsg is new.
To me, it's new the way bsg is new.
The guy who runs ex-astris-scientia.org says he's leaning towards viewing TREK XI as "proto-canon" in the way TAS is seen by many fans. Not part of the official timeline of accepted events but not treated as if it never happened, either.
I agree. We are making assumptions without knowing the most important part, the ending.
You clearly haven't spent much time in the last couple of years hanging around this forum.
Some of the people here -- on several sides of any given issue -- are extremely resistant to being placated.
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