I do not accept the Cartmel Masterplan
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Again, there was no drop in ratings for season 22 over the Davison seasons. The show was cancelled because of Michael Grade's own dislike for the show and because he was boning Colin's ex. It was also Grade who insisted on Colin being replaced after Trial.
Never heard that one.
That was the reason Doctor Who was canceled in the first place - for He Who Shall Not Be Named to give as a "present" to Colin's wife. Colin's talked about it openly. It was the fan outcry that brought it back for a single season, after which Colin was fired.
The ratings excuse was just a cover story invented later.
It's not the case that Colin was instantly unpopular either. He was more quickly accepted I think for a new Doctor than any other Doctor up to that point (the AI stats and audience comments for new Doctors were in the Radio Times back when series 5 started).
Here's an interesting site about the changing of Doctors and such: http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/changingwho/index.shtml
Here's an interesting site about the changing of Doctors and such: http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/changingwho/index.shtml
Except that, Liza Goddard wasn't Colin Baker's wife at the time.
Very interesting indeed. Thanks much for sharing!
So for Colin's debut, males and younger viewers responded favorably. In my mind I'm linking "males and younger viewers" like d-bags and jerk heroes. Which is fine of course, as Six was intentionally supposed to be that way (let's be honest, sometimes audiences like their heroes irreverent and smart-ass), so we can't blame Colin or the Doctor for putting anyone off. This just confirms what most everyone has long suspected: it's the suit's fault.
I would love to see colin baker in a more traditional doctor who costume.. how does the actor look today? Is he fit and in shape? I would love to see him now.. and I wonder if he would ever step back into that role again, doubtful after the suit, and the wife cheating problems..In which case, I don't blame him..
but I did see paul McGann without the long hair and wearing some smooth clothes, and he looks great! he could do a whole time war series and pull it off wonderfully..even throwing in eccleston and making it epic..
that is my one fan wish.. a 2 hour movie, or a miniseries, of the time war..
hell if the BBC can do stuffy period obscure novel miniseries, with horse carriages and old 16th century stylings, then why not a time war mini? come on!!
do it now while they are young and fit! let's not have another 5 doctors problem and wish we could have 25 years later..
In the 'behind the scenes' featurette at the end of the last 8th Doctor audio cd I listened to (Vengeance of Morbius) McGann jokes about how his doctor is still stuck in 'the wig' and 'the cravat' while lamenting Eccleston's look 'in the leather jacket with the suede head' saying that that's how he wanted to look..
Umm, well...not really.
Erm, Colin didn't have some massive hatred for the suit. He was devasted to lose the part of the Doctor and it took him a long time to come to terms with it. He spoke about how having a long role in stage play "Doctor Who: The Ultimate Adventure" helped him say goodbye to the part. He didn't think "at least I don't have to wear that fucking clown costume now". He even had a larger version of the coat made to fit his current figure which he wears for appearances. He'll joke about the costume as has been popular to do, but he doesn't have some immense hatred of it. Personally, I love the costume and especially the coat. It's a million times better than Captain Bland's beige cricket outfit with added celery.
Are you suggesting he not wear his usual costume and longish hair? Because that's what his Doctor is.
Only McGann onwards still look the part. And I've no desire to see Eccleston or Tennant appear with Smudger.
What the Cartmel master plan was a reaction to was the idea that we the viewer know who the doctor was and what he could do therefore making some of the epiosdes in predictable, it was going to be used to make the viewer think about who is this doctor and what is his background and bring back some of the mystique he originally had in the early days.
I actually think the cartmel masterplan helped the show even though people disagree with what the content of the plan was I believe it helped give a few of the writers a clear direction of were the series was going and this is were we began to see an improvement in quality of episodes were we get the likes of curse of the fenric, survival, Ghost light etc.
I actually think the cartmel masterplan helped the show even though people disagree with what the content of the plan was I believe it helped give a few of the writers a clear direction of were the series was going and this is were we began to see an improvement in quality of episodes were we get the likes of curse of the fenric, survival, Ghost light etc.
that sucks..
actually I never liked the 5th doctor's outift.. it was too silly.. as was the 6th doctor's.. I know you may like it, but I get a decidedly campy batman the 60's series feel to him.. too comic book for that sort of show..I would have thought they could have done him in more of a favor akin to his namesake tom baker.. though unrelated, I was longing for the return of the trench coat..but it is a moot point now, considering he is so out of shape..
nah, I disagree completely, who says he has to remain that way, the early doctors had different costumes, and sometimes their hair was different as well.. in minor ways, but still, considering his doctor has only 1 appearance, that leaves open a chance for him to return in what ever guise he likes..IMHO
that's you, I would love to see McGann, Tennant, Eccleston, and smith all together.. that would be magnificent! It would definitely have to do with the time lords, and if Moffat really wanted to separate himself from the work of RTD, all he would have to do is make the Time Lords come back, and why not do it in a huge way as a 2 part special..
ummmm wow! he really went and let himself retire.. sheesh!
People age differently. Time has not been kind to poor Colin.
BTW, I too would like to see the Time Lords return. And properly this time - what RTD did in The End of Time was terrible imo. Bringing the Timelords back for all of 5 minutes and then locking them away again is criminal! And they were only used as if they were some alien of the week anyway, you could have substituted any made up alien race in their place and the story would work the same!
BTW, I too would like to see the Time Lords return. And properly this time - what RTD did in The End of Time was terrible imo. Bringing the Timelords back for all of 5 minutes and then locking them away again is criminal! And they were only used as if they were some alien of the week anyway, you could have substituted any made up alien race in their place and the story would work the same!
People age differently. Time has not been kind to poor Colin.
BTW, I too would like to see the Time Lords return. And properly this time - what RTD did in The End of Time was terrible imo. Bringing the Timelords back for all of 5 minutes and then locking them away again is criminal! And they were only used as if they were some alien of the week anyway, you could have substituted any made up alien race in their place and the story would work the same!
Erm, no, the story would not have worked the same. The End of Time was, in essence, about the Doctor being faced with the prospect of having to repeat the worst thing that ever happened to him, of coming full circle -- RTD's tenure on the show began with the loss of Gallifrey, and it would end with its repetition.
Whatever you may think of the execution of this theme -- did RTD succeed or fail in presenting it well? -- it remains that making the villains of The End of Time anything other than the Time Lords would irrevocably change the nature of the story being told.
Besides, the Time Lords are far more interesting dead than alive. Alive, they're just pretentious guys in silly hats. Dead, and they're like Atlantis -- and the Doctor is the last of the Atlanteans.
In your opinion..
Yeah, opinions. That's what we're here for, right?
Speak for yourself. I'm here for the hot babes..
