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"I can't decide": The Doctor and the Master

The problem with the sharia court is that extremely religious muslim parents/family can socially force the woman to agree, even if she does not want to, thereby giving the men a unfair advantage in the proceedings...
So can the orthodox jewish families who use the Beth Din to resolve disputes

Their more obscure so forgive my lack of knowledge, but it just further enforces my opinion of England...
And a few years ago Sharia law was equally obscure. The Beth Din is used in America too.
 
Well, I'd say enough with the bullsh*t and back to the original topic.

Can't speak for the old show's portrayal of the Master, but the Tennant/Simm seemed to have a rather personal relationship. They were more like former-friends-turned-enemies and the Doctor genuinely pitied (rather than hated) the Master for his descend into madness (cue: "I forgive you").

This also fits with the later revelation that the Time Lords are directly responsible for the Master's insanity. So he's as much as a victim as he's a wrongdoer and the Doctor recognizes this.

Needless to say, I prefer this kind of complex relationship between "hero" and "villain" myself.
 
The problem with the sharia court is that extremely religious muslim parents/family can socially force the woman to agree, even if she does not want to, thereby giving the men a unfair advantage in the proceedings...

Obviously that's a complication - but is theoretically equally possible under under any call arbitration system. I have heard, albeit seldom, of cases where a Sharia decision has been overturned for this reason.

[So can the orthodox jewish families who use the Beth Din to resolve disputes

Their more obscure so forgive my lack of knowledge, but it just further enforces my opinion of England...
Beth Din is the traditional Jewish Court, deciding on matter of Jewish Law, as a Sharia Court decides on matters of Muslim Law. Their decisions would hold equal status under the UK Law.

It should be emphasises that an arbitration court cannot enforce decisions outside of English or Welsh Law (in the UK there is a differential between English & Welsh and Scottish Law, I suppose in a similar way to State Law in the US). So-called "Honour killings," for example, are as illegal if called for by Sharia, or any other, court as a random murder would be. If anything I believe honour killings are treated more harshly.

It is the arbitration procedure that allows Sports Councils to make legally binding decisions in cases of drug use, misbehaviour on the field of play, or bring the game into disrepute.

I tried some reading around the subject, and I believe that a similar system does in fact exist under United States Law.

dJE
 
I've been curious about the Doctor's changing attitude towards the Master. The Third Doctor seemed to be close friends with him at times it seemed, but pretty much all everybody from Tom Baker on in the TOS was glad to see him "gone"-Davison in particular let him 'die' in those flames in "Planet of fire", and the Seventh Doctor (In Survival) admitted that one day he or the Master would wipe the other out, and seems ambivalent about the Master's fate.

However starting with the TV movie-where the Doctor offers to save the Master from the Eye of Harmony, and extending into the 2005-on series (Well, at least with Tennant, as the Master didn't appear in Eccleston's era and has yet to show up in Smiths), it seems that the former friendship between the two is hinted at once again, and the Master is less of a villain the Doctor would rather be gone permenantly. He cries when he 'dies' in Last of the Time Lords, He even offers him a sort of limited companionship-twice!

I got the feeling that RTD always liked the original Delgado version of the Master, and might have felt that the 70s-80s version sort of turned him into a cardboard villain. It's worth noting the villains the Master and the Doctor bring up when reminiscing about the past are those both encountered during the Pertwee era-Axons, Sea Devils, Daleks etc.

Or it could be just something to do with the Time War, the Doctor misses the Time Lords so much, that there's only the two of them, with the rest destroyed/in a time lock/used as spare parts for House's servants or whatever.


Makes that Scissor sisters song the Master dances to kind of apt since it really kind of sums up their relationship.

I always felt it was bc of the way british people pussyfoot over violence and death, due to their overly pc culture, killing or letting someone die is simply to much for many britains and other euros to mentally handle.

Perhaps it might be a down to a philosophy that violence should only be used as a last resort.

But getting back to The Docotr and The Master, remember when they regenerate a new personality is created, i.e The Third Doctor tend to engage in more physical fights. The Seventh was more manipulative etc..

By the time The Master reappears in the 10th's era, The Doctor has been alone believing himself to be the last of his kind, then he finds out another of his race lives even if it his Moriarty to his Holmes. I suspect that he is likely to more forgiving.
 
^ Also, there's the possibility that one of them will change gender the next time he regenerates. ;)
 
I always felt it was bc of the way british people pussyfoot over violence and death, due to their overly pc culture, killing or letting someone die is simply to much for many britains and other euros to mentally handle.

This massive misconception is new to me. Where did you get it?

To many news articles over the years for me to even try to reference, the British bend over backwards for any and every angry minority, either religious or ethnic, they even have shariah law courts operating in ENGLAND, I personally feel Britain has no backbone at all, can you really expect people like that to be willing to actually kill someone...

You're thinking of our preference for the under dog and tremendous sense of fair play. We don't bend over for minorities, we merely afford them the freedoms we all have a right to expect.

I can only assume that you have limited yourself to the conservative press because outside a few right wing groups, the British are secure enough with their identity to not feel the need to defend it from the 'minorities'

Having said that, theres no lack of violence in UK film and TV, if anything its the US that resorts to nauseating happy endings, we just don't worship the gun here.
 
This massive misconception is new to me. Where did you get it?

To many news articles over the years for me to even try to reference, the British bend over backwards for any and every angry minority, either religious or ethnic, they even have shariah law courts operating in ENGLAND, I personally feel Britain has no backbone at all, can you really expect people like that to be willing to actually kill someone...

You're thinking of our preference for the under dog and tremendous sense of fair play. We don't bend over for minorities, we merely afford them the freedoms we all have a right to expect.

I can only assume that you have limited yourself to the conservative press because outside a few right wing groups, the British are secure enough with their identity to not feel the need to defend it from the 'minorities'

Having said that, theres no lack of violence in UK film and TV, if anything its the US that resorts to nauseating happy endings, we just don't worship the gun here.

Last time I researched it, the Per Capita Murder rate in the US versus the UK was pretty similar, so, the UK has just as many murders, but, they're being done with something other than a gun. Truth be told, if I gotta be murdered, I think I'd actually prefer being shot to death than knifed to death or bludgeoned to death
 
To many news articles over the years for me to even try to reference, the British bend over backwards for any and every angry minority, either religious or ethnic, they even have shariah law courts operating in ENGLAND, I personally feel Britain has no backbone at all, can you really expect people like that to be willing to actually kill someone...

You're thinking of our preference for the under dog and tremendous sense of fair play. We don't bend over for minorities, we merely afford them the freedoms we all have a right to expect.

I can only assume that you have limited yourself to the conservative press because outside a few right wing groups, the British are secure enough with their identity to not feel the need to defend it from the 'minorities'

Having said that, theres no lack of violence in UK film and TV, if anything its the US that resorts to nauseating happy endings, we just don't worship the gun here.

Last time I researched it, the Per Capita Murder rate in the US versus the UK was pretty similar, so, the UK has just as many murders, but, they're being done with something other than a gun. Truth be told, if I gotta be murdered, I think I'd actually prefer being shot to death than knifed to death or bludgeoned to death

My quick check using wikipedia, gives the UK murder rate at 1.28 and the US at 5.0 which means the US has a muder rate approx 400% higher than the US. Last I checked that isn't what would be described as similiar.

Of course some parts of the US will have a similiar if not lower rate than the UK.

Though some would argue that the easier access to firearms in the US is part of the reason for a higher murder rate.
 
You're thinking of our preference for the under dog and tremendous sense of fair play. We don't bend over for minorities, we merely afford them the freedoms we all have a right to expect.

I can only assume that you have limited yourself to the conservative press because outside a few right wing groups, the British are secure enough with their identity to not feel the need to defend it from the 'minorities'

Having said that, theres no lack of violence in UK film and TV, if anything its the US that resorts to nauseating happy endings, we just don't worship the gun here.

Last time I researched it, the Per Capita Murder rate in the US versus the UK was pretty similar, so, the UK has just as many murders, but, they're being done with something other than a gun. Truth be told, if I gotta be murdered, I think I'd actually prefer being shot to death than knifed to death or bludgeoned to death

My quick check using wikipedia, gives the UK murder rate at 1.28 and the US at 5.0 which means the US has a muder rate approx 400% higher than the US. Last I checked that isn't what would be described as similiar.

Of course some parts of the US will have a similiar if not lower rate than the UK.

Though some would argue that the easier access to firearms in the US is part of the reason for a higher murder rate.
things must've changed in the last few years then. I checked a few years back and it was only a difference of a couple points. 1.28 seems awfully low from, I believe they were both in the 5.0 rate prior

ETA: Ah, OK, perhaps I was wrong to use the term Per Capita? UK Population is considerably lower than the US population, you are probably going by how many out of 100,000 for both. That's not a fair comparison, you have to divide that 100,000 down (Or multiply the 1.28 by the Population differential in order to get the proper comparison of percent likelihood to be murdered)
 
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