I am trying to convert a non-Trekkie into a Star Trek fan...

[PKTrekGirl]

Re: I am trying to convert a non-Trekkie into a Star Trek fa

Good Will Riker said:
^^^

...well by that logic, so did Danny DeVito! DeVito was at least as if not if more successful and adored in Hollywood than Errol ever did during his Hollywood tenure. :thumbsup:

Erm....no.

Danny DiVito was NEVER the absolute top box office attraction in the entire country. Nor did he rise from pretty much a nobody to the biggest star in Hollywood quite literally overnight, based on the smash hit of ONE movie....and then maintain that top-of-the-A-list position for several years afterwards.

That you would even make a comment like this only goes to prove what I said from the start - you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to Errol Flynn or anything related to him, nor do you have a very realistic perspective about Frakes' popularity as compared to the popularity of real, top-notch, A-list movie stars.

I mean, Jesus...the guy can barely get work outside of the Trek franchise, 'fer cryin out loud. And he has NEVER been the headlining star of the top movie in the entire country (or ANY movie, for that matter, I don't think), like Errol Flynn was over and over again.

Unbelievable.

 

[Good Will Riker]

Re: I am trying to convert a non-Trekkie into a Star Trek fa

^^^

Yes, but that fame and fortune was short-lived for he died an alcoholic and was discovered dead at 50 years of age aboard his yacht with the coroner saying that his body deteriorated to the point where people would have mistook him for a man in his 70's. His legacy lives on, but certainly that was not an overall good life.

 

[misskim86]

Re: I am trying to convert a non-Trekkie into a Star Trek fa

That stuff don't look enough to convert someone into trekdom sadly

 

[Cyclopean]

Re: I am trying to convert a non-Trekkie into a Star Trek fa

Why convert him? You're violating the Prime Directive.

Show him Lexx Season Two instead.

 

[Kegek]

Re: I am trying to convert a non-Trekkie into a Star Trek fa

Good Will Riker said:
Then, move onto the Borg Fan Collective and Star Trek: First Contact (none of that you have to watch First Contact in between "Descet, Part II" and "Scorpion, Part I." If the film is good as it is, it will stand on its own. ).

That's quite true. Actually, the plot events of First Contact have no bearing on "Descent" or "Scorpion" at all. It is closely connected to "The Best of Both Worlds" (which in turn is connected to "Q Who?"), but I think First Contact also works fine as a completely standalone film.

 

[Steve Roby]

Re: I am trying to convert a non-Trekkie into a Star Trek fa

Good Will Riker said:
an old bald man like Picard got the Sexy Man nod from TV Guide while Frakes didn't, because Patrick Stewart headlined the show...

In the 1960s, TPTB were surprised that women went for Spock in a big way. In the 1980s and '90s, TPTB were surprised that women went for Picard in a big way. Shatner and Frakes were supposed to be the eye candy, but the fan mail proved otherwise.

 

[exalted one]

Re: I am trying to convert a non-Trekkie into a Star Trek fa

The best way I know to convert someone to Trek is through books. One carefully picked novel can have a bigger impact than half a season worth of episodes.

 

[EnsignRicky]

Re: I am trying to convert a non-Trekkie into a Star Trek fa

Show him a couple episodes of the new Flash Gordon first. After that, if he still values your opinion, you could probably convert him with the final episode of Enterprise.

 

[Good Will Riker]

Re: I am trying to convert a non-Trekkie into a Star Trek fa

^^^

52 episodes and 4 films on Region 1 DVD will have to be good enough.

Mind you, half of those 52 episodes are from Season 1 of TNG...but I like to share what I like!

 

[Gov Kodos]

Re: I am trying to convert a non-Trekkie into a Star Trek fa

PKTrekGirl said:

Good Will Riker said:

Huntingdon said:
It depends on the person. If you're looking to covince him through the Will Riker character then can I recommend Arsenal of Freedom?

Riker doesn't have a huge part in it, but it did give some background and is perhaps the most formative episode in terms of my impressions of Riker, although that will vary...

NO!

My idea of Will Riker encased in a force field for half the episode is not my idea of showcasing this Errol Flynn-esque action hero in action. Although that part where he sarcastically mentions to Captain Paul Rice that his ship is "The Lollipop" was quite amusing, though wouldn't you say?

ACK! Okay...as a HUGE fan of Errol Flynn, I have to protest this remark. No WAY is Jonathan Frakes anywhere NEAR Errol Flynn....nor is Riker anywhere NEAR Errol Flynn's characters - characters like Peter Blood and Robin Hood.

For starters, Errol Flynn never played second fiddle to anyone. He wouldn't be a 'first officer'. He RAN that shit. He ran every ship, every fighter squadron, every platoon, and every western town. And if he didn't start the film running them, you better damn well believe he did by the end.

Secondly, I could hardly see Jonathan Frakes flying through the air on a rope like Errol Flynn did in all of his pirate films...or in a masterful sword fight up and down flights of stairs like Errol Flynn did in films like The Adventures of Robin Hood or The Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex. And no bloomin' WAY could Jonathan Frakes play a convincing Don Juan.

Errol Flynn was the greatest swashbuckler EVER, and the only other actor who even remotely belongs in the DEBATE is Tyrone Power.

No one else has ever come close.

Not in a million years.

A great Flynn-esque film is "My Favorite Year" I think Peter O'Toole might have captured the magic that was Errol Flynn.

 

[I am not Spock]

Re: I am trying to convert a non-Trekkie into a Star Trek fa

It depends what kind of stories your friend is into.

Is he currently into sci fi at all? Or just not Trek in particular? Is he an 'action' kind of guy? If so, I'd say First Contact would be a good place to start. That said, making the transition from FC first, then into TNG season One might come as a pretty major shock to him! The TNG movies are pretty drastically different to the kind of fare in the TV series.

The Borg collective set might be a good place to begin.

I was born in '82 (the same year as your friend) and I grew up on latter-day TNG seasons. I was hooked after I saw TNG season 4. When I got around to seeing TNG season one, I was shocked at how dated it was. I think you have to already be into Trek before you can sink your teeth into TNG s1.

 

[Good Will Riker]

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I am not Spock said:
It depends what kind of stories your friend is into.

He, Hyunwoo Ma, is into science-fiction and anime.

Is he currently into sci fi at all? Or just not Trek in particular? Is he an 'action' kind of guy? If so, I'd say First Contact would be a good place to start. That said, making the transition from FC first, then into TNG season One might come as a pretty major shock to him! The TNG movies are pretty drastically different to the kind of fare in the TV series.

He is a total sci-fi nut!

To tell you the truth, when it comes to TNG Season 1 it may as well be my own personal favorite, having become a big Star Trek fan myself in-between that time Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home came out and the premier of "Encounter at Farpoint" in 1986/1987.

Although I grewup on TOS reruns since the early-80's, it wasn't until right after the 20th anniversary of Star Trek that I myself became a "true fan" of the franchise.

The Borg collective set might be a good place to begin.

He did enjoy FC when he caught it on television, so that may be a good place to start.

I was born in '82 (the same year as your friend) and I grew up on latter-day TNG seasons. I was hooked after I saw TNG season 4. When I got around to seeing TNG season one, I was shocked at how dated it was. I think you have to already be into Trek before you can sink your teeth into TNG s1.

It happens to be a personal favorite season of mine based on the posts I mentioned above.

 

[Sean Aaron]

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An ex-girlfriend of mine was a non-Trekkie, but open-minded. Her introduction to the series was I think the episode where Picard returns to Earth after the events of The Best of Both Worlds (can never remember the name, but it's excellent). Being a student of musical theatre she was impressed with the acting; after that she was hooked and we watched the next series premiere Darmok together with other Trekkies.

My wife on the other hand, has no interest...

 

[Moocey]

Re: I am trying to convert a non-Trekkie into a Star Trek fa

It looks like you need to rent some dvds.


Show him In The Pale Moonlight, The Visitor, and The Inner Light.

If he doesn't like at least one of those, then give up.

 

[JiNX-01]

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CaptainSpock said:
An ex-girlfriend of mine was a non-Trekkie, but open-minded. Her introduction to the series was I think the episode where Picard returns to Earth after the events of The Best of Both Worlds (can never remember the name, but it's excellent). Being a student of musical theatre she was impressed with the acting; after that she was hooked and we watched the next series premiere Darmok together with other Trekkies.

My wife on the other hand, has no interest...

The episode was "Family."

 

[JD]

Re: I am trying to convert a non-Trekkie into a Star Trek fa

moocey said:
It looks like you need to rent some dvds.


Show him In The Pale Moonlight, The Visitor, and The Inner Light.

If he doesn't like at least one of those, then give up.

That actually sounds like a pretty good idea to me. It would them a good idea of what kind of stuff Trek tends to dal with, althought I would try to through in a good action ep too, just to show how well they could do that stuff.

 

[Moocey]

Re: I am trying to convert a non-Trekkie into a Star Trek fa

JD said:

moocey said:
It looks like you need to rent some dvds.


Show him In The Pale Moonlight, The Visitor, and The Inner Light.

If he doesn't like at least one of those, then give up.

That actually sounds like a pretty good idea to me. It would them a good idea of what kind of stuff Trek tends to dal with, althought I would try to through in a good action ep too, just to show how well they could do that stuff.

Never even thought about an action ep. Which one do you think would be best?

 

[I am not Spock]

Re: I am trying to convert a non-Trekkie into a Star Trek fa

Great action eps:

TOS: Doomsday Machine, Arena, Gamesters of Triskelion
TNG: Best of Both Worlds should do the trick
DS9: Way of the Warrior, Call to Arms, etc
VOY: Scorpion, Year of Hell, Killing Game
ENT: Any of the Xindi arc, most of s4

 

[McCoy]

Re: I am trying to convert a non-Trekkie into a Star Trek fa

Good Will Riker said:
He is a total sci-fi nut!

Seems odd he hasn't already given it a try by now then. Since it is one of the biggest "names" in the genre.

 

[Good Will Riker]

Re: I am trying to convert a non-Trekkie into a Star Trek fa

^^^

He lives in South Korea, and although he caught TNG re-runs on Korean TV (but, not TNG's 1st Season, unfortunately...) and also caught Star Trek: First Contact while it was on, the only Star Trek DVDs available in South Korea are Star Treks I-X (the barebones and the 2-disc editions), but none of the TV series.

So, he has never seen an episode of TOS in his entire life. He did enjoy the first 6 feature films, though. But, he thought GEN was crap. Absolute crap. To this day, he believes that Captain Kirk died saving the Enterprise-B, because he couldn't stomach going past the Worf promotion boat scene. He just didn't/couldn't buy that as Kirk's death, and called "bullshit" on it.