I thought Tom Hardy was great, though I just couldn't buy him as a Picard clone. The acting itself, though, no problems with.
I am a fan of Tom Hardy as Shinzon
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He decided it was Picard's fault. Then anger took over. Instead of just getting rid of Picard, he focused first on the Enterprise.
To win over the support of the Romulan navy he focussed Earth... he became insane when he met the man he was supposed to replace, seeing what a great character that man was, and realising he would never live up to him.
A tragic figure... pretty much Shakespearean in his essence.
Mine too. Taking into acount Shinzon's meeting with the Romulan fleet commanders in the senate chambers, it was fairly obvious that he wasn't in total control of the Romulan government. The whole basis behind his hold on the position of Preator was the fact that he had a giant warship in orbit of the Romulan home world. As soon as he pulled it (and himself) out of orbit, his control of the Romulan government disappeared.
It would have made far more sense for him to stay and continue to consolidate his power and position.
He left to chase Picard and his blood? But he already had Picard, during they charming little wine tasting party.
Yes yes, I know, he was insane and that fixes everything.
But as was explained by JarrodRussell and myself, he wasn't seeking REVENGE on Earth so much as he was going after them as the enemy he was "designed" to fight, and as a traditional enemy of the Romulans. I think he believed that his strike on Earth and subsequent devastation of the Federation would have consolidated his power, so he didn't need to stick around Romulus for that.
And he was clearly toying with Picard early in the movie for his own amusement instead of kidnapping him right away-he even admits as much to the Reman Viceroy.
And he was clearly toying with Picard early in the movie for his own amusement instead of kidnapping him right away-he even admits as much to the Reman Viceroy.
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Tom Hardy was miscast as a clone of Picard. Granted, the whole concept was shitty enough unto itself. I personally have yet to be Wowed by Mr. Hardy.
I have to agree and personally I would count him as probably one of the most generic villains in the movie series especially since the film was called Nemesis. The name itself suggests some type of long or past relationship between Picard and the villain.
I thought he was good in the role. It's just the story and the whole idea of a Picard clone is a dumb idea. None of that was Hardy's fault.
He made the best out of a pretty thankless job.
He made the best out of a pretty thankless job.
If you listen to the DVD commentary by Berman IIRC, Stewart was supposed to also play Shinzon but showed no interest in it. However, as a grand prix racing enthusiast, he WAS very interested in driving a dune buggy, LOL!
The TNG cast was originally signed for a trilogy of films (one reason Riker returned to clean-shaven as in season 1 of TNG for "Insurrection," he was back where he started, a neat little in-joke). Stewart only did the film after certain demands were made, including a huge salary.
I recently watched the film again. It's flawed as hell, but it does put a cap on the TNG era, no doubt about that, no matter whether you agree or disagree with how it was accomplished. Let's face it, androids do NOT become wrinkled and flabby, it was time for Data to go, as Spiner himself admits ("Androids don't age").
Sirtis needs a new plastic surgeon: somewhere along the way she has had a BAD face lift. In fact, she looks vaguely oriental in TATV, her face is stretched so tight.
But I digress. Nemesis was directed by someone (Baird) who PROUDLY knew nothing about Star Trek. Instead of being another Nick Meyer, we got Ed Wood, LOL! He oafishly brags about his total ignorance of TNG time and again in the comments and even "Mr. Positive," Rick Berman, finds fault with a lot of Baird's final cut choices. I'm surprised they even gave final cut to such a relative rookie. A lot of the best scenes were left on the cutting room floor.
Tom Hardy did a great job IMHO with a thankless role. His scenes with Picard are a highlight of the film, cracking with much-needed energy, even if he doesn't look a whit like Patrick Stewart. Well, if nothing else, the TNG era was brought to a "no doubt, we really mean it" end with this film, which is what TPTB intended from the get-go.
The TNG cast was originally signed for a trilogy of films (one reason Riker returned to clean-shaven as in season 1 of TNG for "Insurrection," he was back where he started, a neat little in-joke). Stewart only did the film after certain demands were made, including a huge salary.
I recently watched the film again. It's flawed as hell, but it does put a cap on the TNG era, no doubt about that, no matter whether you agree or disagree with how it was accomplished. Let's face it, androids do NOT become wrinkled and flabby, it was time for Data to go, as Spiner himself admits ("Androids don't age").
Sirtis needs a new plastic surgeon: somewhere along the way she has had a BAD face lift. In fact, she looks vaguely oriental in TATV, her face is stretched so tight.
But I digress. Nemesis was directed by someone (Baird) who PROUDLY knew nothing about Star Trek. Instead of being another Nick Meyer, we got Ed Wood, LOL! He oafishly brags about his total ignorance of TNG time and again in the comments and even "Mr. Positive," Rick Berman, finds fault with a lot of Baird's final cut choices. I'm surprised they even gave final cut to such a relative rookie. A lot of the best scenes were left on the cutting room floor.
Tom Hardy did a great job IMHO with a thankless role. His scenes with Picard are a highlight of the film, cracking with much-needed energy, even if he doesn't look a whit like Patrick Stewart. Well, if nothing else, the TNG era was brought to a "no doubt, we really mean it" end with this film, which is what TPTB intended from the get-go.
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