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I guess things have progressed to the point where I consider any broadband 1Mbps and below to be practically dial up speeds, even though it's still more than fast enough to load webpages instantly,and even 38KB/s is still far, far faster than the maxed out 5.3KB/s dial-up speeds can bring. Spoiled rotten, I am.
I've downloaded GNU/Linux CD ISOs (700 MB) over 33Kbps dial-up. Maxed out, the download speed was 4.2 KB/s, so you get the ISO in two days, or in my case a week and a half because I wanted to sleep at night, use my phone and my international bandwidth sucked. 3.5 GB would be 10 days without the connectivity issues. I would be willing to wait them out. I cap my downloads at 128 KB/s, and if I ever had to download a 110 GB file,* I wouldn't remove that cap to get it faster. I am not in a hurry. While the computer is downloading, I am free to do something else. And it's still less time than it takes me to install Gentoo. 
(* Equivalent of 3.5 GB at 4.2 KB/s)
(* Equivalent of 3.5 GB at 4.2 KB/s)
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I've downloaded GNU/Linux CD ISOs (700 MB) over 33Kbps dial-up. Maxed out, the download speed was 4.2 KB/s, so you get the ISO in two days, or in my case a week and a half because I wanted to sleep at night, use my phone and my international bandwidth sucked. 3.5 GB would be 10 days without the connectivity issues. I would be willing to wait them out. I cap my downloads at 128 KB/s, and if I ever had to download a 110 GB file,* I wouldn't remove that cap to get it faster. I am not in a hurry. While the computer is downloading, I am free to do something else. And it's still less time than it takes me to install Gentoo.
(* Equivalent of 3.5 GB at 4.2 KB/s)
Wow! How long does it take for Gentoo to install? I installed it once, a few years ago, and it took about half an hour. That wasn't too bad, because I once installed Windows Me, and that took 4 hours.
Well, I suspect you want to install some software on it, not just end up with bare Gentoo, so... On my older PC, OpenOffice took a few days to cimpile, and so did KDE, add everything else and it is already more than a week to install Gentoo. IIRC.
And that's forgetting emerge has a tendency to stop installing to asxk you some question - I believe I've seen this happen, even though it was a long time ago. Your week gets even longer.
So long installs are tolerable. More or less.
And that's forgetting emerge has a tendency to stop installing to asxk you some question - I believe I've seen this happen, even though it was a long time ago. Your week gets even longer.
So long installs are tolerable. More or less.
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Microsoft's next "Patch Tuesday" will see the release of Update for 8.1 which is supposed to go further towards restoring the start button functionality to 8.x as well as a variety other features which I believe include a reduced disk foot print.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7922/...ws-81-update-desktop-as-a-first-class-citizen
And will say I for one don't have any problems with I/f on Windows 8 (use both Win8 and server 2012) and haven't had any more issues with it. Simply run in the classic mode desktop (which can set as default through desktop properties under 8.1).
If anything when not on Win8 I miss the ability to hit Windows-Q and start searching for the program I want which is quicker than searching through menus for me.
Addendum.
The update is out.
http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows...lable-download-mandatory-all-windows-81-users
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7922/...ws-81-update-desktop-as-a-first-class-citizen
And will say I for one don't have any problems with I/f on Windows 8 (use both Win8 and server 2012) and haven't had any more issues with it. Simply run in the classic mode desktop (which can set as default through desktop properties under 8.1).
If anything when not on Win8 I miss the ability to hit Windows-Q and start searching for the program I want which is quicker than searching through menus for me.
Addendum.
The update is out.
http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows...lable-download-mandatory-all-windows-81-users
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Yeah, the family computer runs XP, and is about 10 years old. I will likely upgrade it to 8.1, since the footprint's a bit smaller.
I'm on Windows 7 on my PC and 8.1 update on my laptop. I have no problem with either set up. Windows 8.1 is great on RevdKathy's hybrid Netbook/tablet. I can see the problem with the Metro interface but now they're listening and making changes for traditional desktop users I think it's a fine OS.
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That was my big issue. For me, the Metro interface made everything much harder than it should have been. I could do on my Windows 7 PC in a quarter of the time it took me to do the same on the Windows 8 software I was using. Still, 8.1 sounds like a step in the right direction, and I can only hope Windows 9 improves on that when it comes out in about a year.
What we've heard so far is what's being called Windows 9 may not be Windows 9, it may be Windows 8.1 Update 2 in 4-8 months time. I use Windows 8.1 in much the same way I use Windows 7, desktop mode, start menu, etc. My parents use it in Metro and they like it more than Windows 7 because it's more simple and bigger, no distractions from what they want to do, which is fair enough.
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I was frustrated because Microsoft was trying to put a tablet OS on my desktop.
When they began making concessions, I was more mollified, and now I'm fine with the OS, if it works out like they say it will. I haven't had a chance to extensively test Win 8.1.
When they began making concessions, I was more mollified, and now I'm fine with the OS, if it works out like they say it will. I haven't had a chance to extensively test Win 8.1.
Windows 8.1 can suck a dick.
It fucked my wireless up, which I was never able to fix, so I had to connect my computer directly to the modem. Now I can get back on the internet... just as soon as I find a new virus protection program which is compatible with 8.1 as the one I just bought before "upgrading" from Windows 8 apparently isn't. Some upgrade. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be an easy way to downgrade. Thanks, Microsoft, for turning my computer into a paperweight and allowing me to rekindle a relationship with my old laptop.
It fucked my wireless up, which I was never able to fix, so I had to connect my computer directly to the modem. Now I can get back on the internet... just as soon as I find a new virus protection program which is compatible with 8.1 as the one I just bought before "upgrading" from Windows 8 apparently isn't. Some upgrade. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be an easy way to downgrade. Thanks, Microsoft, for turning my computer into a paperweight and allowing me to rekindle a relationship with my old laptop.
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1. Make certain you have updated drivers for your wireless card.
2. Microsoft Security Essentials is free, Windows native, and offers solid protection.
So your lack of planning and preparation is Microsoft's fault?
Hopefully this event taught you something besides pointing fingers.
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It's true, I didn't plan on an update from Windows 8 to Windows 8.1 being such a major system overhaul.
It's never a waste of time to do a system image backup before making major changes to your PC.
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Yep. Always back up before you install something that results in significant changes to your system.
Should I have expected 8.1 to be such a major change from Windows 8?
Nah, I'm still gonna blame Microsoft.
Nah, I'm still gonna blame Microsoft.
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