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I’ll just go ahead and say it: I don’t like Star Trek.

I hope this doesn't sound snarky, because I don't mean it to. But for those people who don't think this movie lives up to the Trek legend - which movie do you like best?

I'm just wondering what to compare it to.
 
I hope this doesn't sound snarky, because I don't mean it to. But for those people who don't think this movie lives up to the Trek legend - which movie do you like best?

I'm just wondering what to compare it to.

I wouldn't go so far as to say it doesn't live up to the Trek legend, I mean, it definitely felt epic to me personally. But I still think Star Trek II, IV, and First Contact are better Star Trek movies.
 
Re: I’ll just go ahead and say it: I don’t like Star Trek.

I liked it, I thought it was pretty good. I have about 1,000 obsessive nitpicks, just like all the other movies, but they didn't actually take away from the film too much.

For example, I really thought the destruction to Vulcan was glossed over. Just like in Generations, we're told some huge number of people died. But we saw maybe a dozen Vulcans in the whole movie. Maybe a few dozen if you count the school scene. I was expecting at least one shot of a bustling metropolis getting sucked up, Or at least a bus of Vulcan school girls or something, but all we really see is crumbling barren wasteland. And like 12 really old vulcan guys. Well there were two guys killed in the cave thing. And...then we return to the comedic scenes.

I could go on. :lol:

I love cramming my ideas into this movie. It needed Vulcan nuns.
 
Overall this latest rendition of Star Trek disappoints and doesn't deserve the title of space epic or even a reboot. It should be forgotten.
I'm sorry if I sound a bit harsh, but why aren't you forgetting it then? Just pretend it doesn't exist, if it really bothers you...

I will. However, I won't abandon the last 40 years of the Start Trek universe. There is too much investment to walk away. Unfortunately I'll have to live with the present for now.

BTW, you don't sound as harsh. I know I'm going to evoke a visceral response from fans who have embraced the new direction ST has taken.

My philosophy is if I'm going to go negative at least do so in a thorough and well though out manner, which I've endevoured to do, rather than resorting to insults and cheap shots.
 
I'm just wondering what to compare it to.
I rather wonder if they compare it to the actual movie, or compare it to their own, colored and nostalgic views about that movie.

And who is to say that those who love this new one so much aren't seeing it through colored glasses as well? Liking or disliking a movie is subjective no matter what it is about...no need to be mean or snarky because someone doesn't agree with you.
 
Re: I’ll just go ahead and say it: I don’t like Star Trek.

I will. However, I won't abandon the last 40 years of the Star Trek universe.

Fortunately, no one who enjoys this movie has to do that in any way or to any extent. :)

Not that a fair amount of that forty years of output isn't better off ignored...
 
I'm just wondering what to compare it to.
I rather wonder if they compare it to the actual movie, or compare it to their own, colored and nostalgic views about that movie.

And who is to say that those who love this new one so much aren't seeing it through colored glasses as well? Liking or disliking a movie is subjective no matter what it is about...no need to be mean or snarky because someone doesn't agree with you.
Why is it that most reactions are taken out of context by people? Of course you can like or dislike the movie.

I didn't say everyone who dislikes the new movie see the comparison through colored glasses. I said that I wondered if that was the case by some. There's a difference.

The reason I wondered that is because there are those -- a minority, to be sure, but the loudest -- who seem to do so.
 
I will. However, I won't abandon the last 40 years of the Start Trek universe. There is too much investment to walk away. Unfortunately I'll have to live with the present for now.
Though I like the movie, I like the old universe as well. And fortunately, you don't have to walk away from that. There are still pocket books being published. And even then there's a whole load of fan fiction (of which a small percentage are actually very, very good) to read. Enough to last a few decades, at least. :D
 
I rather wonder if they compare it to the actual movie, or compare it to their own, colored and nostalgic views about that movie.

And who is to say that those who love this new one so much aren't seeing it through colored glasses as well? Liking or disliking a movie is subjective no matter what it is about...no need to be mean or snarky because someone doesn't agree with you.
Why is it that most reactions are taken out of context by people? Of course you can like or dislike the movie.

I didn't say everyone who dislikes the new movie see the comparison through colored glasses. I said that I wondered if that was the case by some. There's a difference.

The reason I wondered that is because there are those -- a minority, to be sure, but the loudest -- who seem to do so.

Now now, let's look at what was said.

Your comment had no context. I didn't selectively quote. I took it for what it was.

You did NOT say "by some" you said: "I rather wonder if they compare it to the actual movie, or compare it to their own, colored and nostalgic views about that movie."

Did you not use the all inclusive pronoun of "they" and not "some"?

You made a comment that wasn't very nice, and were called on it. Now you're trying to back peddle a bit.
 
I don't expect the sequel to be Dark Knight-caliber, but as good as this film was, I think TPTB certainly set themselves up to make a film that could be that good.
Well much like with this film, while The Dark Knight was decent I didn't think it was nearly as great as everyone else did.

I don't think I'm any more difficult to please than I was ten years ago and I'm pretty sure I'm not as jaded or cynical about my entertainment. I just don't think they are as well-written as they used to be.

Star Trek is decent enough but good or great?!? The two most important components of the film are characters and plot so let's examine those.

All the actors were well cast. I thought Chekov, McCoy, Kirk, Spock and Amanda did an excellent job capturing the mannerisms and essence of their original counterparts. From what little we saw this crew had chemistry and I liked all of them. However, instead of giving us more of the crew and their interactions we got very little-certainly not enough--and what we did get was anemic.

We also needed more humanity and emotion infused into the story. Even the moments and events that would allow for this were only treated to the most limited focus possible. Take for instance, Amanda's death. The problems with it were that she was little more than a plot device in the film and her death was abrupt and awkward that it was up to the aftermath via Spock to compensate and it didn't. It was reduced to two not very fulfilling moments with Uhura and Sarek. So emotional resonance was absent in this film.

Then you have Nero who was more of a plot device than a flesh and blood adversary. I would have liked more interesting/intriguing definition to his motivations. And while I didn't mind the time travel aspect to the story it couldn't have been any more basic. It was a brief footnote. Well, I needed more.

As far as Nimoy's Spock's inclusion it might have been handled better. When I heard he was going to be in the film and that we would see the origins of the TOS crew it seemed an interesting way to merge these is to have Spock on his deathbed remembering these individuals and reflecting on his life. I think that might have been more interesting and certainly more poignant. Given that this in all liklihood will be the last time we ever see Old Spock I would have liked a more satisfyinguse of him other than as a plot device and a more satisfying sense of closure akin to Sarek's sendoff in "Unification". Here they left it open-ended. It's disappointing that he didn't receive a better curtain call.

It was too simple and bare bones overall. As an action film it works as a Trek film it has its issues.

I think they crammed too much material into these two hours. By trying to do so many things none of them really receive the kind of development they deserved. It makes the film look cluttered. The film just throws a bunch of different elements into the mix in a half-realized manner. I realized this as I took a step back and thought about the film as a whole and not based on individual elements or scenes. It was throwing everthing in but the kitchen sink--Vulcan's destruction, Amanda's death, their time at the Academy, Nero's vendetta, the childhoods of Kirk and Spock, the change in the timeline, Old Spock's inclusion, the events in the 24th century, the crew coming together, Spock meeting Old Spock, Kirk meeting Old Spock. And in the process, none of it comes into focus because they don't have the time before the writers wanted to jump to the next point.

Why can't writers take a few elements and do them justice?
 
And who is to say that those who love this new one so much aren't seeing it through colored glasses as well? Liking or disliking a movie is subjective no matter what it is about...no need to be mean or snarky because someone doesn't agree with you.
Why is it that most reactions are taken out of context by people? Of course you can like or dislike the movie.

I didn't say everyone who dislikes the new movie see the comparison through colored glasses. I said that I wondered if that was the case by some. There's a difference.

The reason I wondered that is because there are those -- a minority, to be sure, but the loudest -- who seem to do so.

Now now, let's look at what was said.

Your comment had no context. I didn't selectively quote. I took it for what it was.

You did NOT say "by some" you said: "I rather wonder if they compare it to the actual movie, or compare it to their own, colored and nostalgic views about that movie."

Did you not use the all inclusive pronoun of "they" and not "some"?

You made a comment that wasn't very nice, and were called on it. Now you're trying to back peddle a bit.
I'm not trying to backpeddle, I'm explaining things how I see them.

I do confess to misreading trampledamage's comment; I ready "they" instead of "to". So I understand my comment might have seem less nice then it was intended as. Let's just say it was not an attack on trampledamage at all. If he understood it as such, I offer my apologies.

However, my opinion still stands. I said "I wonder", not "I think", "I believe" or "I know". The second half of the sentence was a supposition, and any anwers people gave could help me decide if that supposition was correct or not. It was meant as a question. A little bit rethorical, perhaps, but still a question, not an exclamation.
 
I hope this doesn't sound snarky, because I don't mean it to. But for those people who don't think this movie lives up to the Trek legend - which movie do you like best?

I'm just wondering what to compare it to.

1. First Contact
2. The Motion Picture
3. The Undiscovered Country
4. The Wrath of Kahn
5. The Voyage Home
6. Generations
7. Insurrection
8. The Search for Spock
9. The Final Frontier
10. Nemesis
11. Star Trek (2009)
 
1. First Contact
2. The Motion Picture
3. The Undiscovered Country
4. The Wrath of Kahn
5. The Voyage Home
6. Generations
7. Insurrection
8. The Search for Spock
9. The Final Frontier
10. Nemesis
11. Star Trek (2009)

Oh, burn. At least half the films in that list suck way harder than ST, IMO.
 
I hope this doesn't sound snarky, because I don't mean it to. But for those people who don't think this movie lives up to the Trek legend - which movie do you like best?

I'm just wondering what to compare it to.
I enjoyed TWoK, TVH, TUC, FC more. This new film falls somewhere in the middle to lower tier.
 
1. First Contact
2. The Motion Picture
3. The Undiscovered Country
4. The Wrath of Kahn
5. The Voyage Home
6. Generations
7. Insurrection
8. The Search for Spock
9. The Final Frontier
10. Nemesis
11. Star Trek (2009)

Oh, burn. At least half the films in that list suck way harder than ST, IMO.

Yeah... my list goes more like:

1. ST: II
2. ST: IV
3. First Contact
4. Star Trek (2009)
5. ST: VI
6. Insurrection
7. Generations
8. ST: III
9. Nemesis
10. ST: V
11. ST: TMP
 
Yeah... my list goes more like:

1. ST: II
2. ST: IV
3. First Contact
4. Star Trek (2009)
5. ST: VI
6. Insurrection
7. Generations
8. ST: III
9. Nemesis
10. ST: V
11. ST: TMP

I'd probably bump TUC up a bit, but that about sums it up. Still, it's less that it speaks well of ST than it reveals just how poor most of the prior Trek films were.

That said, ST shows a lot of promise. My feeling after the second viewing was similar to an experience from taking a creative writing course where we all had to grade and edit each other's papers. Work tended to fall into two categories; either clueless and a waste of time, or unformed but showing raw talent and promise. ST definitely fit into the latter category for me, but rather than being able to enjoy it as a finished film, I wanted to grab the print and start redlining chunks of movie while writing up a page or two on what they did well and where things went off the rails. This team has the potential to do something great, IMHO, but ST is not that thing.
 
Rose, I love your avatar :lol:

I am having a hard time fitting the movie into the rest of the overall feel of the previous series and movies, it just seems... off :(

I know people are vehemently denying this movie is a Trek Lite or something very akin to Star Wars, but I earnestly think it is moving Trek in that direction. Space opera != Science fiction, after all.
 
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