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I’ll just go ahead and say it: I don’t like Star Trek.

I dunno, I think people who at this early point are expecting a Batman Begins/Dark Knight kind of evolution in quality are setting themselves up for disappointment. That sort of thing is the exception rather than the rule.

About this time in 2011 this forum will be breaking down between topics titled "Star Trek Rocks!" and "Star Trek: What The Hell Went Wrong (A Short Summary With Annotations, Links and Supporting Documents.)"
 
I don't expect the sequel to be Dark Knight-caliber, but as good as this film was, I think TPTB certainly set themselves up to make a film that could be that good.
 
This film was so good, I just hope they come up with a story equally as compelling. I don't want to see them redo Khan or anything like that. I want to see an original story with more interaction between the big 3, Kirk, Spoc and Bones.
 
I don't expect the sequel to be Dark Knight-caliber, but as good as this film was, I think TPTB certainly set themselves up to make a film that could be that good.

The film was good because we get to see how the TOS characters, from an alternate reality, met each other is some funny way. But I think the supposedly main plot, which I think was secondary in this movie, was very thin. Basically, Nero blow up Vulcan then travel to blow up Earth while the Enterprise chase it. Then they catch it. Not much in between for this secondary main plot.

I think, and wish, the next Star Trek movie will be much better than this one in that aspect.
 
I don't expect the sequel to be Dark Knight-caliber, but as good as this film was, I think TPTB certainly set themselves up to make a film that could be that good.

The film was good because we get to see how the TOS characters, from an alternate reality, met each other is some funny way. But I think the supposedly main plot, which I think was secondary in this movie, was very thin. Basically, Nero blow up Vulcan then travel to blow up Earth while the Enterprise chase it. Then they catch it. Not much in between for this secondary main plot.

I think, and wish, the next Star Trek movie will be much better than this one in that aspect.
Agreed. Nero was little more than a device that gave Orci and Kurtzman license to change things.

Not that I have a problem with that.
 
...I am pleased that more people are letting their first impression excitment calm down and are looking at the movie more analytically. I really want to see the core Trek themes back in the sequel, otherwise I probably won't bother with it. I don't think I could stomach two new Kirk & crew movies without some sort of morality play.
There is nothing wrong with going with the first impression. Over-analyzing any Star Trek film only leads to disappointment (for me, anyway). I had an enjoyable 2 hours at the theater...bottom line.

...and the core Trek theme DID exist in this film -- and that theme is the character interactions. TOS-style Star Trek is first and foremost a character-driven drama, not a plot-driven one. The plots in the TV episodes that included "morality plays" were simply there as a vehicle that allowed the characters to interact -- and the morality plays were basically non-existent in the good Trek films.
 
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Re: I’ll just go ahead and say it: I don’t like Star Trek.

The plots in the TV episodes that included "morality plays" were simply there as a vehicle that allowed the characters to interact -- and the morality plays were basically non-existent in the good Trek films.

Exactly. Damned few of the first-rate Star Treks wasted much time on self-conscious "morality plays;" it's really the B-level episodes that went in for the obvious.

Of course, if you're of a mind to find moral object lessons you can find them in almost any story - and such exist just as strongly in this movie as in, say, "Shore Leave" or "This Side Of Paradise" or "Court Martial" or "Where No Man Has Gone Before" or...
 
Well, I tried to start a similar thread and it got moved so here is my original post as a response:

I know I am in the minority. My intent is not to just 'stir the pot'. I've enjoyed Star Trek as much as anyone, which is why I have such a strong opinion about this movie. So give me a chance and hear me out.

This post is an extension of a thread I started at Rotten Tomatoes ST XI forum, which to my surprise has some viewers agreeing with me. In response to recent feedback I'll do my best to balance this post but make no mistake about it, I believe this is one of the worst Start Trek films ever produced.

I understand and agree with the need for a 'reboot", but certainly not at the expense of everything the classic Start Trek meant. One poster on RT responded that I should not look at what was but what the new ST is and cited some examples. Frankly I don't care what it is because so much of what made this an enduring series has been stripped away.

Ask yourself this question: If they were trying to establish a Star Trek franchise today, not just another summer sequel, using this film as a base, would it last? I think the answer is clearly... NO!

No one will remember this film.

This is at best a visually appealing romp that unfortunately fails to capture (in fact it seems to purposely neglect) the essence of Gene Roddenberry's original themes. This movie is less of a reboot than an excuse to lure a built in Trekkie fan base into another over produced CGI fest that sacrifices substance for visual appeal.

I'll admit in some scenes it's beautifully rendered and it's something past ST films needed.JJ Abrams' cast (via the vehicles of the screenplay and script) for the most part fails to carry the weight of this story and, to this reviewer at least, certainly doesn't seem capable of shouldering Star Trek's long legacy.

The scenes are clipped and disjointed sacrificing continuity and pace. Instead the actors' conflicted and somewhat manic (and supposedly humorous) performances only seem to serve as a painful respite between each overproduced action sequence. I've always considered such cinematography as was used in this film as a lazy way to build suspense and drama where none clearly exists. I can't think of a better example in recent history.

I do not fault the actors as I'm of the opinion that several are truly talented. Feature films are a director's medium. The characters as they are portrayed in this film are mostly a joke.

Leonard Nimoy's performance, through no fault of his own, seems out of place. As the only actor who would have been capable of grounding this farce by lending his considerable on screen weight, it really is a shame that his character was not properly developed, but then again none of them really had a chance.

The characters seem lost between a the roles of comedians and vulnerable heroes. Really, a 'flagship' crewed almost solely by teenagers? Ok, Kirk, Spock and some of the other crew are in their mid to late twenties, but let's face it, in context they are almost completely unbelievable . In the past ST universe pitch battles were often fought strategically. The weight of the event powered through. Now it's a slugfest with all guns blazing until something blows up beautifully, more work for ILM I guess.

In a vain attempt to recapture the wit and humor of the classic series they've instead filled the feature mostly with cheap slapstick hammy jokes delivered at the most inappropriate times. The dialogue is lacking and under developed, enough said there.

The story delivers little in terms science fiction believability and therefore lacks the chance to provide the escapist experience that most great sci-fi easily conveys. This was a franchise that always prided itself on developing its' sci fi tech to weave the story together.

The use of tech in STXI to fill in for the lazy writing is shameful. In a attempt to match the current trend of creating a gritty and urgent feel at every turn JJ Abrams has instead taken a step away from giving this movie and the future of the franchise any sense of identity. Only viewers who haven't had the opportunity to view the best of Star Trek's previous features will be taken in by the illusion.

Yes, I know that Star Trek needs to move on. That Shatner, Nimoy and the rest of the original cast will never be seen on screen again. That TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, and the TNG films weren't perfect. But it was always STAR TREK and for the most part you always knew it.

Overall this latest rendition of Star Trek disappoints and doesn't deserve the title of space epic or even a reboot. It should be forgotten. Give the franchise a rest and begin again with a properly themed screenplay and script. One can only hope that this is not the direction that this venerable franchise will take moving forward.
 
I made the mistake of getting critical of some choices that were made by the writers in my review, and got attacked as a racist for not liking the Spock/Uhura pairing (which, for the record, has nothing to do with the color of anyone's skin). The link to the review was passed out to a bunch of different online communities, and I've been harassed ever since. If you don't drink the Koolaid, look out. People can be so completely nasty and rude online, even about something as subjective as a fictional movie. It's sad, really.

I actually enjoyed the movie for the most part, but I've been unable to do the jumping-up-and-down "OMG amazing!" chant that most others are doing. There were some problems with it, for me. From bad science to just plain bad writing. I enjoyed it. I want to see it again. But it has flaws.
 
Overall this latest rendition of Star Trek disappoints and doesn't deserve the title of space epic or even a reboot. It should be forgotten.
I'm sorry if I sound a bit harsh, but why aren't you forgetting it then? Just pretend it doesn't exist, if it really bothers you...
 
Re: I’ll just go ahead and say it: I don’t like Star Trek.

Overall this latest rendition of Star Trek disappoints and doesn't deserve the title of space epic or even a reboot. It should be forgotten. Give the franchise a rest and begin again with a properly themed screenplay and script. One can only hope that this is not the direction that this venerable franchise will take moving forward.

Sorry, I loved it and won't be forgetting it any time soon.

Since it's the success that it is, we can look forward to more like it for quite a while. :)
 
Well, I tried to start a similar thread and it got moved so here is my original post as a response:

I know I am in the minority. My intent is not to just 'stir the pot'. I've enjoyed Star Trek as much as anyone, which is why I have such a strong opinion about this movie. So give me a chance and hear me out.

This post is an extension of a thread I started at Rotten Tomatoes ST XI forum, which to my surprise has some viewers agreeing with me. In response to recent feedback I'll do my best to balance this post but make no mistake about it, I believe this is one of the worst Start Trek films ever produced.

I understand and agree with the need for a 'reboot", but certainly not at the expense of everything the classic Start Trek meant. One poster on RT responded that I should not look at what was but what the new ST is and cited some examples. Frankly I don't care what it is because so much of what made this an enduring series has been stripped away.

Ask yourself this question: If they were trying to establish a Star Trek franchise today, not just another summer sequel, using this film as a base, would it last? I think the answer is clearly... NO!

No one will remember this film.

This is at best a visually appealing romp that unfortunately fails to capture (in fact it seems to purposely neglect) the essence of Gene Roddenberry's original themes. This movie is less of a reboot than an excuse to lure a built in Trekkie fan base into another over produced CGI fest that sacrifices substance for visual appeal.

I'll admit in some scenes it's beautifully rendered and it's something past ST films needed.JJ Abrams' cast (via the vehicles of the screenplay and script) for the most part fails to carry the weight of this story and, to this reviewer at least, certainly doesn't seem capable of shouldering Star Trek's long legacy.

The scenes are clipped and disjointed sacrificing continuity and pace. Instead the actors' conflicted and somewhat manic (and supposedly humorous) performances only seem to serve as a painful respite between each overproduced action sequence. I've always considered such cinematography as was used in this film as a lazy way to build suspense and drama where none clearly exists. I can't think of a better example in recent history.

I do not fault the actors as I'm of the opinion that several are truly talented. Feature films are a director's medium. The characters as they are portrayed in this film are mostly a joke.

Leonard Nimoy's performance, through no fault of his own, seems out of place. As the only actor who would have been capable of grounding this farce by lending his considerable on screen weight, it really is a shame that his character was not properly developed, but then again none of them really had a chance.

The characters seem lost between a the roles of comedians and vulnerable heroes. Really, a 'flagship' crewed almost solely by teenagers? Ok, Kirk, Spock and some of the other crew are in their mid to late twenties, but let's face it, in context they are almost completely unbelievable . In the past ST universe pitch battles were often fought strategically. The weight of the event powered through. Now it's a slugfest with all guns blazing until something blows up beautifully, more work for ILM I guess.

In a vain attempt to recapture the wit and humor of the classic series they've instead filled the feature mostly with cheap slapstick hammy jokes delivered at the most inappropriate times. The dialogue is lacking and under developed, enough said there.

The story delivers little in terms science fiction believability and therefore lacks the chance to provide the escapist experience that most great sci-fi easily conveys. This was a franchise that always prided itself on developing its' sci fi tech to weave the story together.

The use of tech in STXI to fill in for the lazy writing is shameful. In a attempt to match the current trend of creating a gritty and urgent feel at every turn JJ Abrams has instead taken a step away from giving this movie and the future of the franchise any sense of identity. Only viewers who haven't had the opportunity to view the best of Star Trek's previous features will be taken in by the illusion.

Yes, I know that Star Trek needs to move on. That Shatner, Nimoy and the rest of the original cast will never be seen on screen again. That TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, and the TNG films weren't perfect. But it was always STAR TREK and for the most part you always knew it.

Overall this latest rendition of Star Trek disappoints and doesn't deserve the title of space epic or even a reboot. It should be forgotten. Give the franchise a rest and begin again with a properly themed screenplay and script. One can only hope that this is not the direction that this venerable franchise will take moving forward.

I agree with this writeup but also know I'm in the minority here and elsewhere.

Perhaps some *wanted* the movie to work so badly, it clouded their thinking. I too *wanted* it to work, but for me, it did not.

On the forgotten part in the last paragraph -- before I reached my car after the movie, it was forgotten.
 
I also completely agree with the review Ryan S wrote. The bottom line is this movie and any sequels it may beget have no bearing on my life. I don't have to go see this movie again. I don't have to watch the sequels. If others like it, more power to them. I have 5 TV series and 10 movies to watch to my heart's content. That's more than enough material to digest and enjoy for the rest of my life.
 
Re: I’ll just go ahead and say it: I don’t like Star Trek.

Perhaps some *wanted* the movie to work so badly, it clouded their thinking.

Gee, in this case "some" would be "most."

No. Some/most just don't agree with you, and are really enjoying this movie. On all levels. :)
 
I also completely agree with the review Ryan S wrote. The bottom line is this movie and any sequels it may beget have no bearing on my life. I don't have to go see this movie again. I don't have to watch the sequels. If others like it, more power to them. I have 5 TV series and 10 movies to watch to my heart's content. That's more than enough material to digest and enjoy for the rest of my life.
Good for you.
Perhaps some *wanted* the movie to work so badly, it clouded their thinking.
Perhaps. But wanting it to be as you like does not make it so. Therefore, most people simply don't agree with you and enjoyed the movie.
 
Overall this latest rendition of Star Trek disappoints and doesn't deserve the title of space epic or even a reboot. It should be forgotten. Give the franchise a rest and begin again with a properly themed screenplay and script. One can only hope that this is not the direction that this venerable franchise will take moving forward.

Sorry, I loved it and won't be forgetting it any time soon.

Since it's the success that it is, we can look forward to more like it for quite a while. :)

Yes! :techman:
 
Re: I’ll just go ahead and say it: I don’t like Star Trek.

I have 5 TV series and 10 movies to watch to my heart's content.

I have 5 TV series - those that are any good - and 10 movies - well, the three or four that are worth rewatching - and this movie too. :)
 
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