I’ll just go ahead and say it: I don’t like Star Trek.

[Feofilakt]

I consider entertainment anything that lets me not use my brain, which was entertainment's original intent, a distraction from the daily woes, from the plauges of the world (Literally) and from the minutia of ones daily work tasks. It has of course evolved and what you find entertainment may make your brain work, but I find I focus on my jobs better when I don't stress the old supercomputer too much.

Yeah, but my daily work is making images. For me, using my brain differently - for chess, for example - is entertainment. I am not looking to get better at it, necessarily; I don't compete, or mind that much if I lose, but I do like to play and talk about it.

YMMV.

(Edit: Oh, and I'm a bit disturbed by the notion that you can only be entertained if you turn your brain off..)

I am in complete agreement with the comment in the edit. I've never been entertained by allowing or being forced to shut my brain off, it could be adequately described as a state of frustration to do so

Wargames are entertainment, chess is entertainment, excellent literature is entertainment, analytical and continental philosphical works are entertainment, classical philosophy is entertainment, history is entertainment... people should view intellectual investment as a means of entertainment and ultimate enrichment, not a chore.

 

[VonHelton]

The only reason I returned was so I could gloat a little bit

What are you gloating about?

I was put through HELL on this board for acurately predicting how this movie would be.

......Turns out that I was correct after all. It's too bad that the people who disagreed with me are no longer here.

 

[Jamie H]

Too many movie makers these days feel that people want brain-dead entertainment. There is a huge fear of making things that are too "intellectual". Which is why they spend more money of special-effects than they do on plot.

 

[VonHelton]

Too many movie makers these days feel that people want brain-dead entertainment. There is a huge fear of making things that are too "intellectual". Which is why they spend more money of special-effects than they do on plot.

Yep.

 

[The Wormhole]

While I'm sure this post will come as no surprise to anyone who has paind any attentiion to me these past six months, I didn't like the movie either. The main problem is that it is really average. Yes, we start off with an awesome opening on board the Kelvin, but after that the movie goes downhill.

I don't really know where to start, and indeed most of my opinions have been covered in a bunch of other threads around the forum. So I don't really have much else to add here.

 

[Gepard]

I was put through HELL on this board for acurately predicting how this movie would be.

......Turns out that I was correct after all. It's too bad that the people who disagreed with me are no longer here.

But you didn't "accurately predict" anything except, perhaps, your own opinion, which sounds like it was a foregone conclusion. The majority of people here disagree with your assessment of the film, and even the others who have problems with it aren't a monolithic unit, having the same issues and concerns you do. And the jokes on you anyway: this attitude of looking down one's nose at people of differing opinions is doing more to alienate everyone and prevent a dialogue that might get your opinion the validation it so desperately seeks.

 

[VonHelton]

Aaaaand...you missed the point of my OP. I found it to be fine Trek; just not a very good movie. I'm less interested (actually, not interested at all) in how the film contradicts this or that element of the old continuity. I care about it telling a good story. Did it? Most people seem to think it did. I'm less convinced of that.

Actually, you said this thread was for those people who didn't like the new Trek movie.

Well I don't.

 

[VonHelton]

But you didn't "accurately predict" anything except, perhaps, your own opinion, which sounds like it was a foregone conclusion. The majority of people here disagree with your assessment of the film, and even the others who have problems with it aren't a monolithic unit, having the same issues and concerns you do. And the jokes on you anyway: this attitude of looking down one's nose at people of differing opinions is doing more to alienate everyone and prevent a dialogue that might get your opinion the validation it so desperately seeks.

Yes I did. I said that this movie would be a bunch of 20 somethings fresh out of the Academy. I even coined a new phrase for the occasion!

"Doogie Howser MD in Space"

 

[Thrawn]

So you're saying you saw a trailer full of young 20-somethings and said "a ha! This is a movie about young 20-somethings!" and now want credit for it?

 

[Michael]

Neil Patrick Harris was in Star Trek?!

 

[VonHelton]

So you're saying you saw a trailer full of young 20-somethings and said "a ha! This is a movie about young 20-somethings!" and now want credit for it?

LOL.....No.



I predicted this *long* before a trailer ever came out.

 

[TheGodBen]

No Chess is not entertainment.

It may not be entertainment for you, but I find chess to be very entertaining against the right opponent. I also enjoy PC strategy games such as Civilization and Europa Universalis because I enjoy using my mind and planning and strategising and... thinking.

I watch Mythbusters because I want to think and see what works and what doesn't it's also not entertainment I'm feedng my curiosity, learning something new.

This might come as a shock to you, but sometimes education can be entertaining. Just recently I found myself with nothing to do in the afternoon so I opened up wikipedia and started reading about the Mexican-American war and other articles linked within it. I consider that a form of entertainment because I was enjoying myself.

I consider entertainment anything that lets me not use my brain, which was entertainment's original intent, a distraction from the daily woes, from the plauges of the world (Literally) and from the minutia of ones daily work tasks.

If I'm stressed or worried the last thing I want to do is rest my brain because it has a tendency to wander, so I prefer to keep it active by focusing on something else. Different strokes, I guess.

I also come away with alot more of my entertainment when I don't strain to find every little thing wrong with it. Which your brain naturally wants to do because people love solving mysteries and when you explain the magician's trick it isn't quite as magical anymore is it.

If I'm bored while watching a movie then my mind can't help it, if I'm being entertained then it doesn't matter. Suffice it to say that I did not find Star Trek entertaining.

 

[Jamie H]

If I'm bored while watching a movie then my mind can't help it, if I'm being entertained then it doesn't matter. Suffice it to say that I did not find Star Trek entertaining.

I actually found it entertaining. I just also found it incredibly stupid. If it had been some random space action movie, I probably would have been pleasantly surprised by it. But I guess I expect more out of Trek than that. Trek shouldn't have dumbed down idiocy like stowaway ensigns being promoted directly to Captain of the Flagship. IMO it needs to remain at least somewhat plausable for it to be a good movie, and the new Trek movie is about as plausable as your typical Michael Bay movie.

 

[Claudia]

I actually found it entertaining. I just also found it incredibly stupid. If it had been some random space action movie, I probably would have been pleasantly surprised by it. But I guess I expect more out of Trek than that. Trek shouldn't have dumbed down idiocy like stowaway ensigns being promoted directly to Captain of the Flagship. IMO it needs to remain at least somewhat plausable for it to be a good movie, and the new Trek movie is about as plausable as your typical Michael Bay movie.

Exactly how I'm feeling right now: Entertained, but not satisfied. Trek's simply more than a mere action-movie, interspersed with a few injokes.

 

[VonHelton]

If I'm bored while watching a movie then my mind can't help it, if I'm being entertained then it doesn't matter. Suffice it to say that I did not find Star Trek entertaining.

I actually found it entertaining. I just also found it incredibly stupid. If it had been some random space action movie, I probably would have been pleasantly surprised by it. But I guess I expect more out of Trek than that. Trek shouldn't have dumbed down idiocy like stowaway ensigns being promoted directly to Captain of the Flagship. IMO it needs to remain at least somewhat plausable for it to be a good movie, and the new Trek movie is about as plausable as your typical Michael Bay movie.

You summed it up nicely.

 

[Captain Randy Hall]

????

If you don't like Star Trek, what are you doing here where a lot of us do?????

 

[Gepard]

????

If you don't like Star Trek, what are you doing here where a lot of us do?????

Okay: I did not feel the 2009 movie titled "Star Trek" was very good. It's not bad, but it's not great, and maybe not even good.

 

[Reliant]

I loved the acting, and Enterprise, the CGI space battles, the characters. My only problem are the pot holes in the plot. The thing I don't like about this movie is the Romulans. Why do they truly want to destroy Vulcan and Earth??? They blame Spock for the destruction of their planet, but it wasn't Spock at all that destroyed the planet, it was the sun in the Romulans solar system. Spock just didn't get there in time to stop it, and he wanted to save Romulus, and felt bad he didn't. I wish they would have explained or created a better reason why the Romulans wanted revenge against the Federation, other then something that is natural in the universe, a star going super nova, which destroyed the planet to begin, not the Federation or Spock for that matter. Didn't the Federation want to help the Romulans?

 

[PKTrekGirl]

Yes I did. I said that this movie would be a bunch of 20 somethings fresh out of the Academy. I even coined a new phrase for the occasion!

"Doogie Howser MD in Space"

Okay...now I'm a 40-something, so perhaps I'm not gettin' it.

I'm old enough to have actually SEEN Doogie Howser, as an adult. And as the title might suggest, it is a medical show sent in the (then) present day. And isn't Doogie the only doctor on the show who is that young? I thought the point of that show was that he was young, and a genius, and that was what was extraordinary.

So how does a medical show set in the present day about a doctor who is extraordinary precisely because he is a young genius have anything to do with Star Trek cadets and recent graduates in the 23rd century who are supposed to be young?

If you are trying to be clever, it doesn't work. It's a bad parallel.

 

[TheGodBen]

If you don't like Star Trek, what are you doing here where a lot of us do?????

The same reason why I'm in the Voyager forum reviewing that show even though I don't like it, and subsequently created the most viewed thread in that forum. Just because I'm not a fan doesn't mean I don't appreciate the discussions it has created, I'd like to think that the people who love this movie are as grown up about dissenting opinions as the Voyager fans are.