Hybrid Species

[Vanyel]

erastus25 said:
They kinda did that with Tora Ziyal. It was Cardie/Bajoran, granted, but the same principle was at work.

As for the "difficulty" and need for extra help, who's to say that in the 24th Century it is necessarily that hard? For all we know they just need to take a few pills and it will work. I mean, think about medicine in 1657, compared to today. A similar growth could occur over the next 350 years.

A Bajoran Cardassian mix might be very possible. Remember, Bajorans visited Cardassia long before Cardassia had space flight technology. It's conceivable that the Bajorans who crashed on Cardassia were able to find a means of creating hybrids. Once Bajoran genes entered the Cardassian gene pool, it could become possible without any further outside assistance.

Tom and B'Lana child though is something else. From what we've seen of the 2 Klingon/Human mixes and the Klingon/half human half klingon mix is that the Klingon genes are dominant. So despite Tom being 100% human (as far as we know) the Klingon genes would still be dominant.

 

[STIntergalactic]

Vanyel said:
A Bajoran Cardassian mix might be very possible.

Yes, very possible indeed. If only there were some way to prove it. If only they had shown of character of this type. It wouldn't have had to be a major character. They could have just made it the son or daughter of an existing one. That would have been sweet.

 

[Vanyel]

SantaKirk said:

Vanyel said:
A Bajoran Cardassian mix might be very possible.

Yes, very possible indeed. If only there were some way to prove it. If only they had shown of character of this type. It wouldn't have had to be a major character. They could have just made it the son or daughter of an existing one. That would have been sweet.

Big Meanie.

A crying graemlin is needed.

 

[Red Ranger]

JingleBell Jarok said:
There were half-Romulan/half-Klingons in Birthright

True. That was the ep I was referring to in an earlier post -- just didn't bother looking up the title -- and I believe Worf was sweet on the one young woman till he discovered she was half-Romulan.

I also think there was a post-TUC novel with Kirk and company coming across a colony of folks who were part Klingon and part Romulan, who called themselves the Children of Heaven, but I never read the actual novel. I only know of it because it's referred to in one of the Shatner Kirk returns novels.

RR

 

[Tibby]

As I recall, the Doctor did have to do something to Naomi Wildman when she was first born. Prehaps some form of legal DNA resequencing is done to keep the baby alive.

Remember, according to the TNG episode "The Chase" most races in the Galaxy have a common Genetic ancester, inspite of being on different planets.

 

[USS Excelsior]

Also the Doctor made reference to Klingon DNA being pre-eminent for several generations, in the VOY episode of whether or not to remove their kid's Klingon DNA.

 

[SiddFinch1]

I always wanted to see a Vulcan-Klingon or a "Vulklin"- a logical warrior.

 

[Timo]

There is some canon backing for certain combinations to be more difficult than others. Tom and B'Elanna needed a doctor's assistance, and Deanna in TNG "The Emissary" expressed amazement that K'Ehleyr could exist - so human/Klingon is consistently difficult.

Also, Spock is apparently unique in his time, and Trip/T'Pol again reinforces the difficulties of human/Vulcan.

In contrast, the "Birthright" hybrid was supposedly created with minimal, at most "frontier doctor" style assistance, but Crusher in "The Enemy" also makes special note of commonalities between Klingon and Romulan physiques - so Klingon/Romulan might actually be canonically considered easier than most. (Perhaps in fact Romulans are some sort of a Vulcan/Klingon hybrid to begin with?)

Also, Cardassian/Bajoran, while appearing extreme, apparently can be accidental. Or then the Cardassian males who were said to have had offspring with Bajoran females were real sadists, deliberately going through all the medical trouble even though they knew the offspring would be pariah in all possible contexts.

Perhaps we could work in the angle that some species are more "artificial" than others? Spock once suggested Vulcans had been transplanted to their inhospitable world. Perhaps they were manipulated or made malleable by their masters, so that they would quickly branch off to subspecies (Romulans) and readily mate with other similarly malleable species (Klingons, perhaps manipulated by their Hur'Q masters, or by themselves in yet another quest for "Augments"/"Affliction" kind superiority).

I mean, our human heroes in TNG can already work miracles with one's genome. The various "midlevel" puppet masters could have done more. And the ancient seeders from "The Chase" might well have programmed universal compatibility into our genes, along with that compulsion to evolve into biped humanoids. They did weirder things already, like imprinting that holographic Valentine card there...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[GMDreia]

Am I the only one that didn't have a problem with "The Chase"? I loved that episode, and to me it's not just good Trek but good s/f as well. It had deeper psychological/mythic/historical ponder points, and it made me ponder indeed.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

I loved the ending of the episode when the Romulan Commander contacted Picard and remarked on how they were similar (one of the interesting things about Romulans to me has always been the idea that, if it weren't for certain circumstances, they could be very similar to humans). Those two were the only ones who saw through their biases to understand the true significance of the event.

And, yes, I like the episode, I thought it was one of the more compelling ones.

 

[JD]

I liked it too. I've always liked the way we saw all the different races working together, and I've always loved the way that they explained the preponderance of humanoids in the galaxy.

 

[BrotherBenny]

Doctor Phlox said that the cloning process used to create Elizabeth was flawed but based on human/Vulcan genetics there should be no problem with the two species actually producing offspring.

Worf and Jadzia only needed help because of the ridges of the Klingon skull (and bones protruding from their feet or wherever) and Jadzia's smaller womb, because of the presence of the symbiont pouch.

Samantha Wildman also needed help because of the Ktarian forehead bones which would rip right through the fragile human placenta.

These are all valid reasons. Humans do appear to be one of the most fragile species in Star Trek. Cardassian ridges do not protrude a significant extent from their bodies so there should be little problem with Cardassians and Bajorans producing offspring. Ziyal is such a person and there was no mention of medical intervention, as there was before with other species.