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How would you kill a vampire in the Star Trek universe?

I'd be like, "Vampires don't exist because of <TECH>, <TECH>, and <TECH>" and he'd be like, "Dude, I was just kidding. GOD."

Then we'd have sangrias in Ten-Forward and Riker would give us a stern look when we started dribbling it out of our mouths and saying "I vant to suck your bloooood!"
 
Not sure , but it would involve a deflector dish, inverting/reversing/rerouting something and quite possibly tachyons.
 
hrm, not sure, I have to scan it with my tricorder first, determine what kind of vampire we're talking abOHJE- /redshirt
 
Well, there was a book written years ago by JM Dillard called "Bloodthirst," that dealt with the Star Trek equivalent of a vampire. I don't remember how it ended. Guess it's time for a re-reading.
There was of course the vampire cloud creature from Obsession, and the "salt vampire" from "The Man Trap." Each of these had to be killed in different ways. I suppose if you're talking about a traditional Nosferatu/Count Dracula type vampire from Terran literature, you'd have to kill it with a stake through the heart, although I guess if you just decided to beam it into space without reconstituting its atoms, more than likely it wouldn't be able to pull itself back together.:guffaw:
 
Or just use the vaporize setting on your phaser. Does the trick quite nicely.

Seriously, the Star Trek future would be a nightmare to live in for a hostile vampire.

A vampire who understands it's bad to kill people and just drinks replicated blood, would be a nice friend and fellow Starfleet officer.
 
Uh, don't be a nameless red shirt beaming down to the planet with Capt. Kirk? :)

BTW: Is this Star Trek vs. Buffy?
 
Phasers likely wouldn't work. All that vaporize setting will do is change the creature's form temporarily.
Unless you had a +3 Holy Phaser.
In most RPG's, vampires are used without any Christian counterpart, so I don't think there is a problem there. And kind of priest/priestess, holy water, garlic, artifact, or if all else fails, the good old stake.
 
I assume you're not talking about a natural species that feeds via vampirism, because that question would be pointless. Is Starfleet going to exterminate an entire species? Not if there's another way around it. If a species feeds via vampirism, that's just the way it is.

If you're talking about a revived corpse that suddenly gains a taste for blood, since Star Trek is a rational universe, there has to be a scientific explanation behind that seemingly impossible event. For instance, some parasitical organism could have colonized and re-animated the corpse. In that case, you'd kill the organism, but just driving a stake through the vampire's heart is unlikely to be effective (for instance if the parasite is actually a colony of microscopic organisms). So the real question here is, what is causing the corpse to appear to re-animate? Until you diagnose the problem precisely, you can't know the solution.

Of course we're right back to the natural-vampire problem. Somewhere in the cosmos, there could easily be a species for whom it's natural to inhabit corpse hosts. Is Starfleet willing to exterminate a species simply for following their natural behaviors? Why not just leave it on the planet where they find it, where it's a natural part of the ecosystem.

A problem only arises if the vampire species is intelligent and has FTL space travel capability. Then you have the Borg, and in that case, it is acceptable for Starfleet to exterminate a species if that's its only means of self-defense. The virus notion from "I, Borg" strikes me as a good approach. I know Picard vetoed that notion but if handled honestly, the Borg arc should have proceeded to a kill-or-be-assimilated breaking point. Instead the story proceeded towards "Janeway Conquers All" and evaded the question by eviscerating the Borg.

Stargate: Atlantis has a similar storyline with the Wraith. The two solutions open to the humans on that show are: exterminate the Wraith; or figure out a way to render them harmless (which requires that they be altered so that they are no longer the Wraith - genocide by other means).
 
How do you kill a vampire in Star Trek? Probably through over-complicated technobabble. That's how they do everything else.
 
Phasers likely wouldn't work. All that vaporize setting will do is change the creature's form temporarily.

No, it kills the vampire, just like decapitation regardless of weapon will kill a vampire, just like normal old sunlight will kill a vampire.

Vaporized equals death, even for a vampire.

Stargate: Atlantis has a similar storyline with the Wraith. The two solutions open to the humans on that show are: exterminate the Wraith; or figure out a way to render them harmless (which requires that they be altered so that they are no longer the Wraith - genocide by other means).

Yeah, and the more honost, ethical and moral thing to do, would be to just exterminate them in my opinion. Turning them into humans is no less extermination, the persons they were before being changed are gone and dead (if it succeeded), and a species wiped out. Turning them into humans is really a sick twisted way to sush their conscience: see we didn't "really" kill them, even if we did.

It's one of things that is so annoying about Stargate; there is absolutely NOTHING there. No drama, no tough questions, no deeper exploration, it's just the most vapid, fire space blasters, emptily pile of pictures. EVERY time they touch upon a subject that may allow for some deeper exploration, the newest quick fix alien ally or tech comes along, and we can go on.
 
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No, it kills the vampire, just like decapitation regardless of weapon will kill a vampire, just like normal old sunlight will kill a vampire.

Doesn't that depend on the exact sort of vampire? In about half the movies I'll never confess to have watched, decapitation has zero effect on the suckers. And a certain percentage suggests that stakes, garlic and divine water have no real effect, either.

Yeah, and the more honost, ethical and moral thing to do, would be to just exterminate them in my opinion.

What do you have against them? Why can't we all get along?

Or did you mean the Wraith? I'm sure their hunger could be satisfied by ethical means in the Trek universe, too.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Actually its mostly the new lore that says Vampires die from decapitation, in original lore taking the head, then making sure it never touched the body again or was burnt away to a skull was the only way to be sure.

In Saga of the Noble Dead one of the newer Vampires is savagely decapitated with a serrated blade imbued with magics and chemicals that prevented their proper regeneration. Despite both, the head was placed back on the neck and several of its victims blood poured onto the wound, within a single night the head reattached and the Vampire was up and walking, but with a permanent scar and maimed voice.

Carmilla was staked, beheaded, burnt to ashes, poured into a wide river that washed out to a lake. She was back a night or two later to visit Laura, ok she got the message and left but it didn't even leave a mark.

Lestat was cut to ribbons with a large butcher knife by Claudia and lost all of his blood and was partly nibbled on by all the little creatures inhabiting the lake she threw his body into, he came back. Took days to heal fully but still.

And the sunlight angle doesn't kill them, in most old stories they feared the sunlight, they weren't directly killed by it. Nosfertu started that particular idea off in 1922, before that exposure to sunlight in lore just frightened or weakened them.

So, dim the lights, replicate some blood and let them be.
 
Actually its mostly the new lore that says Vampires die from decapitation, in original lore taking the head, then making sure it never touched the body again or was burnt away to a skull was the only way to be sure.

Nope, there are wide variety of lores about vampires. Many die as easily the "newer ones". In fact, seemingly unkillable vampires are usually only products of weak newer stories. In fact, in old lore, virtually every vampire isn't much more than a zombie. It's only with Dracula that vampires actually gain sentience, and become characters.

In Saga of the Noble Dead one of the newer Vampires is savagely decapitated with a serrated blade imbued with magics and chemicals that prevented their proper regeneration. Despite both, the head was placed back on the neck and several of its victims blood poured onto the wound, within a single night the head reattached and the Vampire was up and walking, but with a permanent scar and maimed voice.
Which is just plain ridiculous. Even magical things can't kill them now?


Carmilla was staked, beheaded, burnt to ashes, poured into a wide river that washed out to a lake. She was back a night or two later to visit Laura, ok she got the message and left but it didn't even leave a mark.
Who the hell is Camilla? Anyway, again, ridiculous. When one understands the true origins of vampire lores, you know the above would utterly, completely and totally destroy a vampire. Fire is the purifying force of nature, water the cleansing power of nature. Both elements that are anathema of the element Earth, which is what vampires are mostly imbued with, them rising from the ground, and the other elements conforming to their spirit having left. There is no way in hell a mere vampire survives the above.

I find stories where they turn vampires in ridiculous unkillable things that even the ways of magic, mystics and god(s) their natural enemies can't kill anymore just plain weak. Like the writer has a hard on for the vampire or vampires in general and can't get past it that the monsters need to die, so they just make them survive anything and everything.

Lestat was cut to ribbons with a large butcher knife by Claudia and lost all of his blood and was partly nibbled on by all the little creatures inhabiting the lake she threw his body into, he came back. Took days to heal fully but still.
Wait, Interview what's her face that found god recently universe? You call those old stories?

And the sunlight angle doesn't kill them, in most old stories they feared the sunlight, they weren't directly killed by it. Nosfertu started that particular idea off in 1922, before that exposure to sunlight in lore just frightened or weakened them.
No, actually, in most old stories they can't even walk around during the day. They are simply asleep, in a forced sleep in fact, a sort of coma. They are mostly zombies, and have many attributes of ghosts in fact; their corpses are animated by their souls who can't find peace. Usually the way to defeat them in the old myths and legends is to make sure the soul can't get back into the body, or to make the soul find peace and cross over.

No, it kills the vampire, just like decapitation regardless of weapon will kill a vampire, just like normal old sunlight will kill a vampire.
Doesn't that depend on the exact sort of vampire? In about half the movies I'll never confess to have watched, decapitation has zero effect on the suckers. And a certain percentage suggests that stakes, garlic and divine water have no real effect, either.

You've watched some odd movies then, because I've never seen a movie where decapitation doesn't finish them off.

Yeah, and the more honost, ethical and moral thing to do, would be to just exterminate them in my opinion.
What do you have against them? Why can't we all get along?
The Wraith kill me and other humans, that's what I have against them. Killing them is simply necessary for survival. There's no hate or disgust going around, it's simply necessary. A sad state of not being able to live together, because us humans are their food.

Or did you mean the Wraith? I'm sure their hunger could be satisfied by ethical means in the Trek universe, too.
I'm sure it can, but I wasn't talking about Trek now was I? I was talking about Stargate and their penchant for avoiding anything deep, even outright ignoring when something deep is happening and never touching upon it.
 
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You know, you do a strikingly good Vampire impression yourself. Nothing sucks the life out of the world like you do.

Its been a hobbie/interest of mine for years and I have two shelves I could take down and do this back and forwards thing with you, given one of them is 5 inches thick, in latin, and 800 years old I don't feel like cracking it right now. :lol:

To answer a couple of your questions, Dracula is not the first "Humanised Vampire", that started in the early 1800's with "The Vampyre" then 1847 with "Varney" then again in 1872 with "Carmilla", Dracula was at least the fourth in a line of newer Vampire lore with Human like Vampires.

Yes most of the lore revolves around them being rotting corpses rising from the grave, some lore has them burning in the sunlight from the old belief in the divine light whereas the daywalker legend is common in many other regions.

The Noble Dead series hints at this "magic" being the remnant of an advanced Earth that suffered a holocaust reverting society to a medieavil level where technology and genetically altered persons were seen as mystical or magical which may have more to do with the topic at hand if thats where the authors are going with this, that the sword is made from an irradiated or bioweapon enhanced metal.

But I've given my answer to this thread three times now, if they exist then its going to be a biological lifeform, no religion involved which means this is just a matter of feeding habits and skin fragility. Medicines, environmental settings and replicators can easily accommodate them.
 
They were introduced in Ds9 (and to my knowledge, Gene had virtually nothing with that show and was not really in favor of it).

So? DS9 is part of the Star Trek universe. Bajorans win the day probably by impaling vampires with jumja sticks.
 
Trick into in trying on a garlic laced sombrero.

Kirk would kill the damn thing after 45 minutes of melodramatic dialouge.

Picard would try to communicate with the vampire and see if its needs could be met without further loss of life.

Sisko would look the other way as Worf or Garak killed it.

Janeway would cry in sympathy for the vampire.

Archer would lose control of his ship then somehow get rid of the vampire in the nick of time.
 
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