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How Would You Have Ended Lost?

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Okay, so I've watched Lost through twice after discovering it last summer and I never had a problem with the ended until I started thinking about it. While I still think it was a well written episode, there are aspects of it that I don't care for upon further reflection and a lot of problems with the 6th Season as a whole (like having the Flash Sideways have no real connection to the real world).

I know I'm not alone in thinking this as I see a lot of anger directed at this season and the final episode in particular. However, I rarely see people talk about what they would have done or what they would have made the flash sideways out to be. So that's my question to you guys. What would you have done differently to make it a better show?

I'll post my ideas tomorrow.
 
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A simple way to have made it better would have been for that door at the end to have led to the island rather than a white light. But really, the entire last season would have to be rewritten to answer more questions and give a more satisfying and meaningful resolution to the characters. Off the top of my head, I don't have anything more specific than that.
 
First of all, no flash-sideways or magic light-cave.

Second - make the final season about getting the answers to the main mystery of the show - what is the island and why and how does letting the MiB out of it will be bad for the outside world. The answer the show gave was "Because he's a bad guy" without really telling us what will happen if he leaves the island. I was actually rooting for the guy even after he killed a whole bunch of Others (who in turn killed a whole bunch of Dharma hippies 20 or so years before the events of the show, so they weren't the good guys either).
Keeping the MiB on the island was sort of a main story of the last season, but it was never clear why letting him go is bad.
 
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I haven't watched the show since the finale, so I've forgotten alot of details. I will say however, the whole dream-state, Nexus, purgatory, after-life waiting room thing kind of came out of left field, but despite all that among alot of other things, the show will still go down as one of my all time favorite TV show.

Maybe emphasize more on the causality dilemma of Jughead destroying the island thus somehow forcing the consciousness of the Losties forward in time and creating an actual alternate timeline. How MiB and Jacob fit into all that, I'm not quite sure.
 
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I loved the flashsideways, that was the best part of S6 for me. The island stuff, however... It was incredibly disappointing that, after the complexity and moral ambiguity of the previous 5 seasons, it finally all came down to a black and white good vs evil battle. And the good (Jacob) wasn't even particularly sympathetic at that, and I agree that we never saw how exactly letting MIB out would have been a disaster.
 
Much as I loathe the ending that we got, I can't offer a better resolution because I'm crap at writing fiction. Whenever I came up with similar endings to the stories that I wrote in school, I was deservedly marked down. This seems to be another case of a drama apparently painting itself into a corner because it wasn't properly planned out from the start. I don't think there was much that the writers could have done to save it.
 
First of all, no flash-sideways or magic light-cave.

Second - make the final season about getting the answers to the main mystery of the show - what is the island and why and how does letting the MiB out of it will be bad for the outside world. The answer the show gave was "Because he's a bad guy" without really telling us what will happen if he leaves the island. I was actually rooting for the guy even after he killed a whole bunch of Others (who in turn killed a whole bunch of Dharma hippies 20 or so years before the events of the show, so they weren't the good guys either).
Keeping the MiB on the island was sort of a main story of the last season, but it was never clear why letting him go is bad.

This.

I thought the on-island part of the finale was great. Having the remaining survivors escape with Jack defeating MIB and dying with Vincent beside him along with Hurley becoming the new protector was a very fitting resolution. I was just disappointed with everything else.

If they were going to keep the flash sideways I would have preferred it if somehow MIB was going to have some effect on that world, or if that was a world where MIB existed or something, just so we could see why it was such a bad thing for him to escape.
 
It's not so much the finale I didn't like as the entire flash-sideways half of Season Six. Total waste of time. If they HAD to do the flash-sideways it should only have been in the finale. They were wasting so much time when there were so many things we should have seen. The story of how Widmore turned sides. The modern incarnation of Dharma. Faraday's years working with Dharma on the mainland. Alvar Hanso and the DeGroots.
 
As others have said ... to fix the finale, you really do need to fix much of Season 6. Personally, given how problematic the final season was -- considering how aimless and meandering and contradictory much of the final season seemed to be and how much ground the finale was left to cover -- I felt the "The End" did a fantastic job.

The Flashsideways took up way too much time, focusing on people who were not the characters we'd come to know and care about (YMMV per character). It was really an exercise in futility to watch versions of our characters go about doing things that had no lasting impact on either the long-term narrative or the characters themselves.

On a related note, the same could be said for the whole Temple subplot.

And as for characters actually on the island, Sayid and Claire (and John) are very problematic. We have the same actors, but characters which are wholly disconnected from who we knew in earlier seasons. It kind of, sort of, works for John. But beyond that, it's a shame to see so much investment in Sayid and Claire simply washed away.

The two historical flashback episodes were also problematic. I liked the stories we got out of them, but filling up two whole episode to provide history for the island -- when the series was about the Losties characters -- was a mistake. Better to have woven the historical flashbacks into other, relevant episodes which also addressed other plot mysteries.

In the finale, though, the concept of the Flashsideways was used very effectively (IMO, of course). Imagine going through the routine of a normal day and then a seemingly random event triggers a flood of memories, of emotions, of a life of meaning and purpose. It’s a moment that keeps happening throughout the episode as characters rediscover one another. Season 6 spent too much time stringing along the flashsideways but the payoff makes the finale something special as the audience gets to remember, along with the characters, all of the emotions these characters experienced together on the Island. It's a great send-off.
 
I think the only thing I'd really change is to give more of an explanation about the nature of MiB/Smoke Monster and exactly what would happen if he left the Island. Otherwise, I loved the show and the way that it ended. I am considering a re-watch in the near future.
 
What is it these days with good series all having crappy endings?

I'm looking at you BSG.

I didn't mind so much with nuBSG as I couldn't envisage any alternative ending being any better. Probably the least crappy of all possible endings. They never explained whether the entity controlling things was a matrioshka brain, virtual machine hypervisor, superbright AI, hypercomputer powered by a Big Crunch singularity, Greek/Egyptian/Roman/Aztec/Toltec/Mayan/Incan god, OT God, or NT God, which was wise.

With Lost, I think they would have done better to leave out some of the so-called explanations, like the all-seeing camera obscura, which just seemed a might stupid if not lazy.
 
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A simple way to have made it better would have been for that door at the end to have led to the island rather than a white light. But really, the entire last season would have to be rewritten to answer more questions and give a more satisfying and meaningful resolution to the characters. Off the top of my head, I don't have anything more specific than that.

Yes. The final "Jacob centric" season needed to go. Instead the series should have stayed focused on the "sci fi" elements: time travel, sonic fences, Dharma, etc.

Off the top of my head, given the amount of time travel like concepts in the show, especially involving Locke, I would have have Jacob be revealed as a time displaced Locke who had been thrown back into the past during the whole island shift/A-bomb stuff and who was basically guiding himself back to his own destiny. That would have also explained why "Jacob" couldn't let John (or almost anyone else but Richard) actually see him. They would have been tipped off to the time paradox.
 
I liked it but they could of expanded upon The Light and The Smoke's intention. Say something like how The Light had something to do with the creation of Humans and there souls/spirit etc, sort of making the island like the fable place "Garden of Eden". Also making it quite clear MIB would spread like a virus corrupting the entire human race literally from within, like a walking talking Devil.

The biggest problem was everything was hinted at and never explained.
 
I liked it but they could of expanded upon The Light and The Smoke's intention. Say something like how The Light had something to do with the creation of Humans and there souls/spirit etc, sort of making the island like the fable place "Garden of Eden". Also making it quite clear MIB would spread like a virus corrupting the entire human race literally from within, like a walking talking Devil.

The biggest problem was everything was hinted at and never explained.

On the one hand, I completely agree about The Light and MiB.

On the other hand, however, I actually really like that we didn't get a lot of explanation. This show, more than anything else, was about Jack's transformation from Man of Science into Man of Faith. The fact that he didn't know exactly what was going on but still believed he needed to act made his story all the more powerful for me.
 
I would have ended it like it began- as a conflict of science versus faith.

My main complaint is that they-

1. Did not do an open-ended ending (I think this show demanded it)
2. Ended the science versus faith debate on the side of faith

This basically made it a "message series", and a message I don't like on top of that. This kind of ruined the fun of the show to me. Speculation in regards to this show is fun! Hard answers- not so much fun!
 
I think it's very likely that this is--basically--what happened with Lost:

The writers originally planned the "they are dead and the island is purgatory" as the ultimate solution.

Beyond that, they were making it up as they went along. They didn't have an end date and so they needed to come up with some new concepts.

However, tons of people including Stephen King, figured the "they're all dead" thing. So they decided on a different ending (sci fi)..and flatly denied that there was magic on the island.

Furthermore, a lot of the writers (Brian K. Vaughn, for example) were science fiction writers who had no real idea the show wasn't sci fi because the producers hadn't let spill on the original "purgatory" concept.

When it came time to wrap up the show, rather than stick with the sci-fi, the producers decided to go back to the original concept (sort of a "see, we knew it was the ending all along") and have the characters in purgatory. But, because of the stuff that had happened in the interim, they needed to tweak it a little. Hence, Jacob vs Smokey and the alt-universe.

As I said before, my preference would have been stick with the sci fi. It's simply bad writing to build a show up for that many seasons in one direction, tantilize the audience with multiple mysteries and then, in the final episode of the next to last season (and the entire final season after that, including the finale), introduce new major characters, focus on a completely different aspect of the series and save the stuff that people seemed to care about for a ten minute DVD extra.
 
I don't have much of a problem with how they ended it. There were two parallel stories the whole time: the characters' attempt to become "found" in their lives (they were lost long before they got to the island) and then the literal story of the island and the mysteries.

The writers did a great job with the ending to the character-based story. It was harsher than I expected. Some characters were never "found" during their entire mortal lives, even if they lived a full lifespan (Kate and Sawyer) and might have died at age 101, bitter and lost as ever, a cruel sentence but honest, considering that they were the most messed up of the whole bunch. The writers pulled off a happy ending without cheating or being mawkish about it.

The mystery based plotline is what people are complaining about. The writers did kinda botch that one. It got too video-gamey at the end, all about capping something with a stone...? WTF? Stupid.

But overall, Lost was still an incredible achievement, especially considering it was on broadcast and not cable.

make the final season about getting the answers to the main mystery of the show - what is the island and why and how does letting the MiB out of it will be bad for the outside world.
What if the answers were unsatisfying and dumb? Maybe there were no answers that would be as good as leaving some things a mystery. I thought the "whispers" were cool until they came up with an answer, and then the whole thing fell flat. Every answer given takes that risk.

And the flash-sideways wasn't for solving the mysteries, it was for concluding the character-based plotline. Without the flash-sideways, the character plotline would also have lacked a satisfactory conclusion, without any guarantee of a good conclusion to the other plotline.

What is it these days with good series all having crappy endings?

I'm looking at you BSG.
Same problem as Lost - trying to create a huge, multi-season storyline that juggles the plotlines of a large number of characters, do it all on the fly under the merciless gaze of network (or even cable) ratings needs, and then tie it all up with a nice bow at the end.

To turn it around, name a serialized series that has run for four or more years and does have a good ending. I can't think of one.

However, the BSG writers made a more obvious, singular mistake than the Lost writers ever did: not figuring out what the motivation of the villains was, from the first. The need to keep revising the Cylons on the fly so they would keep generating dramatic conflict to keep the show going is what turned them into jokes. By the time the ending rolled around, it was far too late to undo years of damage.

Lost
had a more complicated and tricky (and therefore more excusable) problem at the core - how to explain the mysteries the writers kept throwing out there, to hold our interest, just enough so that the answer would be satisfying, but not so much that it would fall flat because of being overly literal and destroying the magic.

I liked it but they could of expanded upon The Light and The Smoke's intention. Say something like how The Light had something to do with the creation of Humans and there souls/spirit etc, sort of making the island like the fable place "Garden of Eden". Also making it quite clear MIB would spread like a virus corrupting the entire human race literally from within, like a walking talking Devil.
The danger of something like that is, how literal do you get? Do you have people quoting from the Bible? Do you show Satan as a character, with something to indicate who he is (brimstone, horns)? It's the same balance problem as any explanation would have. For instance, they certainly hinted that MiB was a corrupting, Satanic force. They just didn't take the next step to show it. What's the next step? Is it enough? When does it become too much? How do you know when to stop?

The biggest problem was everything was hinted at and never explained.
Lots of stuff was explained. The whispers for instance. And that explanation sucked. I wished they'd left that unexplained. How do we know that we would have liked the explanations after they presented them? At that point, it's too late to take them back.

On the other hand, however, I actually really like that we didn't get a lot of explanation. This show, more than anything else, was about Jack's transformation from Man of Science into Man of Faith. The fact that he didn't know exactly what was going on but still believed he needed to act made his story all the more powerful for me.
Yep. There's a point at which the explanations must stop. The writers chose a certain place to draw the line. People can imagine that if they'd gone just a step further, or ten steps further, or a hundred steps further, it would have been "better," but there's no way to prove that unless you can put it on film and show us. This is all about how it comes off on screen: does it feel right?

The writers originally planned the "they are dead and the island is purgatory" as the ultimate solution.
I'll bet they had no definite ending in mind at all. The only element that seemed obvious from the first was the idea that the characters were metaphorically lost, and that side of the story would be all about their journey to be found.

On the other, literal side of the story, they threw every idea under the sun at us (the purple sky, what was that?!? a resurrection pool??? did anyone ever figure out what all that fuss was about approaching the island on the right bearing??? and frankly I still don't see why Desmond had to keep punching in the numbers since the world didn't end when he stopped) just to keep viewers intrigued. I realized about midway thru (S4ish) that there was no way any human mind could ever devise a single coherent explanation for that mountain of nonsense, so I simply decided not to be disappointed when the inevitable occurred, and they let the show end with a lot of stuff unexplained.
 
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